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Topic: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #168 on: August 02, 2022, 07:04:37 PM »
For example, OU's home schedule this year is:

UTEP
Kent State
Kansas State
Kansas
Baylor
Oklahoma State

Nebraska is away and Texas is always in the Cotton Bowl.

As a Sooner fan, is this a home schedule that thrills you?  You get your in-state rival at home, but how many of these would you consider big-time matchups from a fan or recruit's perspective?

Not picking on OU here, to be clear.  It tends to end up the same for Texas.  Aside from Alabama, what else do we have on our home schedule?

Louisiana - Monroe
Alabama
UTSA
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor




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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #169 on: August 02, 2022, 07:14:00 PM »
Yeah, it's a weak schedule to start with, and then the only OOC game of interest is a road game.

I've been disappointed in OU's recent OOC schedules. The P5 marquee games have been good, for the most part. (UCLA thrills me not at all.) But the other OOC games have been really weak.

Looking at future seasons, a couple of home games against Tulsa are the "highlights" of the non-marquee games.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #170 on: August 02, 2022, 07:26:16 PM »
I just don't see it as being advantageous to make any real changes to the current OOC scheduling philosophy.  Texas has traditionally done a pretty good job of scheduling a big marquee OOC game each season, like Alabama this year and next, which I love.  But I don't really want to see TWO marquee games on the OOC schedule in a year.  Playing a 9-game conference schedule in a full roundrobin conference, and then having a CCG added on top of that for any real contender, is tough enough, for a team that would like to make the CFP.

That's why I always liked the idea of making the CFP be conference champs only.  I feel that providing a clear and objective path to the playoff, that doesn't involve your entire season basically ending the moment you lose a game, would enable more teams to schedule better OOC matchups.  That's GOOD for college football.  The current system encourages you to schedule patsies in your OOC and just try and win every game.  That's BAD for college football.

Of course now with all of the latest round of realignment, all bets are off.


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #171 on: August 03, 2022, 07:39:17 AM »
Our former AD “Dollar” Bill Byrne locked us into a 10 year contract to play Arkansas in Dallas at Cowboys stadium. This was way back when the Big 12 was competitive with the SEC and he wanted to have a game in the metroplex for recruiting purposes. Arkansas was pretty good at the time under Bobby Petrino before his motorcycle wreck revealed his affair.  

The move to the SEC temporarily halted the neutral site games for a few years but Jerry Jones wouldn’t let us out of the contract and they resumed in Dallas. I think we have a couple of games left before we can return to a home and home series. 

They billed it as the “Southwest Classic”, but I’m not sure it really added anything to our program. The first few games were cool, then Arkansas tanked and we won 9 in a row until this last season’s loss. 

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #172 on: August 03, 2022, 08:01:34 AM »
Well, I had not thought about how often home games are droll affairs until this discussion.  We usually forget the Kent States on the slate.  Net, I see Kirby's point better now.

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« Reply #173 on: August 03, 2022, 09:18:58 AM »
just imagine the home schedules of Big 12 teams after Texas and OU are gone
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« Reply #174 on: August 03, 2022, 09:27:48 AM »
I just don't see it as being advantageous to make any real changes to the current OOC scheduling philosophy.  Texas has traditionally done a pretty good job of scheduling a big marquee OOC game each season, like Alabama this year and next, which I love.  But I don't really want to see TWO marquee games on the OOC schedule in a year.  Playing a 9-game conference schedule in a full roundrobin conference, and then having a CCG added on top of that for any real contender, is tough enough, for a team that would like to make the CFP.

That's why I always liked the idea of making the CFP be conference champs only.  I feel that providing a clear and objective path to the playoff, that doesn't involve your entire season basically ending the moment you lose a game, would enable more teams to schedule better OOC matchups.  That's GOOD for college football.  The current system encourages you to schedule patsies in your OOC and just try and win every game.  That's BAD for college football.

Of course now with all of the latest round of realignment, all bets are off.
I too like the idea of conference-champs only in the CFP. But, then, only one SEC team would be able to be in it. Can't have that.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #175 on: August 03, 2022, 10:03:02 AM »
just imagine the home schedules of Big 12 teams after Texas and OU are gone
I've been assured by those Big 12 fan bases that the matchups will be so compelling that TV providers will fall over each other just to own those properties. The new B12 commish is gonna do cool things and not kowtow to OU and Texas and he's gonna strongarm different outlets and leverage stuff and they'll be right there with the B10 and SEC shortly.

They're throwing rocks at the Pac12. I liken it to a swim race between you, me, Ian Thorpe, and Michael Phelps. One of us is coming in third. Might be you, might be me. One thing's for sure: We'll both be so far behind the top two as to not even matter.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #176 on: August 03, 2022, 10:48:26 AM »
saw an article yesterday claiming that the Big 12 was trying to get the Minnesooota Gophers to leave the Big Ten

it's as laughable as me swimming against Phelps

why leave Wisconsin and Iowa to play Iowa State and Kansas?

and then there's the $$$ factor
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #177 on: August 03, 2022, 11:34:48 AM »
I too like the idea of conference-champs only in the CFP. But, then, only one SEC team would be able to be in it. Can't have that.
I don't see how that could work if the CFP championship game is simply a replay of the SEC CG as is written.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #178 on: August 06, 2022, 01:41:34 AM »
Why OU-Texas is a bigger get for SEC than USC-UCLA for the Big Ten
Berry Tramel, Oklahoman
Tue, August 2, 2022 at 12:34 PM·19 min read

Southeastern Conference commissioner Greg Sankey made an off-hand, but on-point, comment the other day that his league got the better deal of the blockbuster conference realignments of the last two summers.

OU and Texas pledged to the SEC in July 2021. Southern Cal and UCLA pledged to the Big Ten in June 2022.

Both will bring new riches to the most affluent conferences in collegiate athletics.

Both will bring high-performing athletic departments.

Both will bring high-profile football brands. But some are more high-profile than others. Which is what Sankey really meant.

Here’s the best way to look at it. USC and Texas are quite similar. Great tradition, iconic brands, stretches of dominant football. But currently in a protracted slump.

Since the 2010s arrived, Texas has one top-10 finish (No. 9 in 2018), four top-25 seasons and is on its fourth coach, offensive whiz Steve Sarkisian.

In the same 12-year span, USC has two top-10 finishes (No. 3 in 2016 and No. 6 in in 2011), six top-25 seasons and, not counting interims, is on its fourth coach, offensive whiz Lincoln Riley.

The Longhorns and Trojans both were mostly great in the decade of 2000-09, mostly so-so in the decades of the 1980s and 1990s, and mostly-great in the decades of the 1960s and 1970s.

Each sit in one of the nation’s most fertile recruiting grounds, with USC in a massive market and Texas in a big market with tons of alumni in nearby other mega markets.

Texas-USC seems a wash. So the SEC-Big Ten spitting contest comes down to OU and UCLA, which is no comparison.

The mediocre stretches of OU football history are about the same as the best stretches of UCLA football history.

But everyone knows that. Here’s the information that matters to the bean counters who are running college football.

In the last four seasons, 42 OU regular-season games have been available to either ESPN or Fox. Those corporations have put the Sooners on their over-air channel, ABC or Fox, 39 times.

Only three times have the Sooners been sent to cable – Kansas in 2021 and 2020, West Virginia in 2018.

By comparison, USC has been on cable 21 times and on the big networks 21 times. Some of that is the difference in success, but still. The Big 12 and Pac-12 have the same television partners, ESPN and Fox, so the decision-makers on the Sooners and Trojans are the same.

In the last five years, OU has appeared on 17 prime-time, non-cable games, drawing an average of 4.13 million viewers. Those games range from Ohio State to Kansas. USC has appeared on 14 such games, with an average of 3.37 million viewers.

Texas has been on just seven non-cable, prime-time games during that span but averaged 4.23 million viewers. So the Longhorns remain a big draw. Ironically, two of those games were against USC, which drew an average of 3.95 million viewers. Two of those Texas games were against OSU, which drew an average of 3.57 million viewers.

On mid-day, non-cable games, OU has averaged 2.54 million viewers, USC 2.06.

Those differences aren’t terribly one-sided, considering the Sooners’ success and the Trojans’ lack of it.

But UCLA has drawn only a fraction of such number. However, USC and UCLA do offer the Big Ten a late-night television window. The Pac-12 kickoffs at 9:30 p.m. or 10 p.m. Central time draw decent viewing numbers, and if the Trojans or Bruins are playing Wisconsin or Michigan State instead of Oregon State or Arizona, those numbers will rise dramatically.

In the last five years, USC has averaged 1.33 million viewers for its 16 late-night games. UCLA has averaged just 0.74 million viewers for its 15 late-night games. Part of that is USC has had more games on ESPN; UCLA has played seven late-night games on Fox Sports1, which generally draws dramatically fewer viewers than ESPN or ESPN2. USC has played just four late-night games on FS1.

Still, the SEC is glad to have OU and Texas, even if they are Central Time Zone schools. The West Coast addresses of USC and UCLA create all kinds of Big Ten scheduling problems for other sports, which have been well-documented.

It would not be surprising to see the Big Ten add more West Coast schools, even if they don’t add value to the television contracts, just to make scheduling a little more palpable.

Away from football, USC and UCLA clearly raise the Big Ten’s brand.

UCLA has won 119 NCAA championships, plus the 1954 football title. Forty of those championships have came in the 2000s, so it’s not like the Bruins are on some kind of slide.

USC has won 119 national titles, counting eight football championships in the poll era. Thirty-seven NCAA titles have come in the 2000s.

That kind of success trumps the Sooners and Longhorns.

Texas has 58 national titles, including 40 in the 2000s. OU has 41 national titles, including 22 in the 2000s.

So all are high-caliber athletic programs, with USC and UCLA excelling at a higher rate.

But OU and Texas football outrank USC and UCLA by a significant margin. Both on the field and in the television ratings, the scoreboard that matters most.

Greg Sankey was right.




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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #179 on: August 06, 2022, 09:33:15 AM »
But OU and Texas football outrank USC and UCLA by a significant margin. Both on the field and in the television ratings, the scoreboard that matters most.

Greg Sankey was right.
heck, this poor uneducated dirt farmer knew this all along
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #180 on: August 06, 2022, 10:11:25 AM »
Most SEC schools are in the Central TZ.  That isn't a factor.  Texas >>> USc in fan enthusiasm and attendance and eyeballs.  It's not only how good you are.


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« Reply #181 on: August 06, 2022, 11:42:14 AM »
Most SEC schools are in the Central TZ.  That isn't a factor.  Texas >>> USc in fan enthusiasm and attendance and eyeballs.  It's not only how good you are.
That was my first take too.
On second reading, though, I took it to mean that OU and Texas don't give the SEC at "late night" presence the way that SoCal schools will give one to the B1G.
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