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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #238 on: August 07, 2019, 12:27:59 PM »
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/supra

No manual available.  One might come later, perhaps with a lower performance version having a 4 cyl.


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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #239 on: August 07, 2019, 12:31:53 PM »
the automobile and especially the sports car has evolved past manual trannies
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #240 on: August 07, 2019, 12:50:45 PM »
Yes, manuals are disappearing rapidly.  I figure my car has a great antitheft device.  We go to a nearby French restaurant a couple time a month and the Indian dude they have parking cars can't drive a manual.  He just waves me in when I show up in our GTI and grins.  He keeps saying he's going to learn.  Not on my car.

I suspect the torque converter will also disappear in 10 years or so.

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #241 on: August 07, 2019, 01:11:41 PM »
Yes, manuals are disappearing rapidly.  I figure my car has a great antitheft device.  We go to a nearby French restaurant a couple time a month and the Indian dude they have parking cars can't drive a manual.  He just waves me in when I show up in our GTI and grins.  He keeps saying he's going to learn.  Not on my car.

I suspect the torque converter will also disappear in 10 years or so.
Are there auto trannies without torque converters?
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #242 on: August 07, 2019, 02:04:55 PM »
the automobile and especially the sports car has evolved past manual trannies
I want the car in the gear I select, not the gear it selects.

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #243 on: August 07, 2019, 02:19:29 PM »

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #244 on: August 07, 2019, 02:20:26 PM »
I want the car in the gear I select, not the gear it selects.

Automatics with flappy paddles approximate this if you want to shift manually.  And today this is faster and more fuel efficient usually.

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« Reply #245 on: August 07, 2019, 02:28:24 PM »
Automatics with flappy paddles approximate this if you want to shift manually.  And today this is faster and more fuel efficient usually.
I think that might be acceptable on a sports car, of course. Especially a "high-end" sports car measured more by lap times than smiles. I still like a clutch, but I realize it's not the optimal solution on a performance car which is designed to be optimal.

For non-performance cars, none yet have paddle shift that is any good, as far as I'm aware. 

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« Reply #246 on: August 07, 2019, 03:40:51 PM »
Automatics with flappy paddles approximate this if you want to shift manually.  And today this is faster and more fuel efficient usually.
My wife's Volvo C30 has an automatic with a "manual" mode.  From "D," you push the stick into a detent on the right, then it's push forward to shift up and pull back to shift down.  Or vice-versa--I forget.
I've tried it in manual mode several times, but my muscles want to treat it like a manual transmission.  My left foot goes for the nonexistent clutch pedal, and my right hand wants to stir the shifter like it's a 6-speed.  Because I have to actually think of what I need to do, it's not much fun.
I suppose that if I drove it all the time, I might get used to it.  But, as I said, it's my wife's car.
If I hadn't gotten my Mustang, I might have gotten a C30 "R-Design," which had a 5-speed manual.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #247 on: August 07, 2019, 03:58:44 PM »
I've tried it in manual mode several times, but my muscles want to treat it like a manual transmission.  My left foot goes for the nonexistent clutch pedal, and my right hand wants to stir the shifter like it's a 6-speed.  Because I have to actually think of what I need to do, it's not much fun.
I suppose that if I drove it all the time, I might get used to it.
I do foresee this with the quasi-manual shifting. Unless I'm going to use it constantly, it's not much use at all. 

My ex had this in her Volkswagen Passat years ago. The only time I ever used it was on a twisty mountain road, because it's one of those things that sometimes when you're in the middle of a corner you want to hold a gear even after coming off the throttle rather than the automatic up-shifting and then needing to down-shift once you get back on it. But it didn't feel "natural" to use it, because I didn't use it any other time.

That's obviously not the case if you use these systems constantly. And it's obviously not the case when you have a clutch and a gear lever, because you're forced to use it all the time.

But I think it would be hard to get used to, because I'd get lazy with it in daily-driving tasks and just drive in auto mode, and thus then wouldn't be prepared to use it when I was in "fun mode". 

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #248 on: August 07, 2019, 04:05:03 PM »
The Wife's CTS had flappy paddles.  I viewed them as a gimmick until I started using them.  Granted, I usually drove it in D, but it was kind of fun to drive in M from time to time.  In the mountains it was very convenient, and I'd down shift at other times one notch or two to engine brake a bit.  That wasn't really a performance car, it weight nearly 4,000 pounds and had a 4 cylinder engine.  It would hit 60 mph in the low 6 second range.  The transmission had a torque converter, GM has until recently shied away from the DCTs.

One nice thing when you switched to M the dashboard would change and give you the gear you were in in the HUD and between the speedo and tach.

I doubt many people pay any attention to the tach these days.

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« Reply #249 on: August 07, 2019, 04:08:45 PM »
I doubt many people pay any attention to the tach these days.
Another "fun" story about my ex... I had just returned from a business trip, and was going to a homebrew club meeting that night, and I get a frantic call from her that her car is overheating. Every time she got on the throttle, it would start to overheat, and then when she got off, it would stop...

...because she was looking at the tach. 

Life would have been a lot simpler if I'd just divorced her then...

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #250 on: August 08, 2019, 09:13:36 AM »
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #251 on: August 08, 2019, 11:36:02 AM »
A real woodie.

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