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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #644 on: October 22, 2018, 08:35:59 PM »
a billion dollars per pill and you take 4 pills a day for the next 5 years

mobilization and  effort and motivation including the entire industrialized world such as the late 1930's through the mid 1940's for the pursuit of WWII might make a considerable dent in the problem

but, obviously the motivation is not there

folks aren't interested in giving up their sons and husbands or their automobiles and gasoline or their vacations and whataburgers for this cause
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #645 on: October 22, 2018, 08:52:07 PM »
And that's the most frustrating part of it all. What a lot of people don't realize for whatever reason is how much economic benefit there is in making these investments, long-term in particular, but short-term, too (wind turbine and solar panel installers and maintenance workers are two of the fastest growing jobs in the country and probably the world, and it's not even close: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/fastest-growing.htm). Energy efficiency (energy auditors and the like) has already matured and has more jobs than the rest of the energy sector, combined, with 2.25 million (https://www.greenmatters.com/news/2018/09/19/ml9Mz/energy-efficiency-jobs-report)

I got into this whole space not because I was an environmentalist, but because I saw how it was growing due to economic reasons and would continue to. The fact that it's interesting work and makes a real difference is a bonus.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox for now and hope for the best....
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #646 on: October 22, 2018, 09:37:00 PM »
hope isn't going to do it

but, you know that
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #647 on: October 23, 2018, 09:13:27 AM »
I have looked without success for any outline of a basic plan even in the US to make a real substantive impact in our CO2 emissions.

Maybe there is one somewhere, I haven't found it.  

Such a plan should at least project:

How fast emissions can be reduced.
How that would impact CC.
How much it would cost.
How coal and NG and petroleum would be replaced viably over time to reduce emissions.

I think the reason there isn't one is that when people look at the numbers, they give up.  Hand waving doesn't do it.

No doubt we can make some progress over time, but it simply won't be enough.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-global-co2-emissions-set-to-rise-2-percent-in-2017-following-three-year-plateau

The last graph in that link is especially eye opening I think.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-co2-emissions-rise-after-paris-climate-agreement-signed/
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #649 on: November 07, 2018, 10:49:27 AM »
Washington voters in Tuesday returns rejected I-1631, the proposed carbon fee initiative, which would have raised more than $1 billion annually by 2023, with spending decisions to be made by a governor-appointed board as well as the state's utilities.
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A decade of Victory over Penn State.

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« Reply #652 on: November 07, 2018, 11:09:20 AM »
The "best way" would be to have multiple different measurements using differing techniques, so  this method is an additional technique.

I saw some article a while back about how hard it is to measure mean temperature of something like planetary atmosphere or ocean water, etc., and it was rather mind bogglingly hard.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #653 on: November 07, 2018, 01:16:20 PM »
Even the Tesla supercharging stations take 30 minutes or more. What happens when you're on a road trip, get to a charging station (that's full), wait 20 minutes to even start your car, and then have 35 more minutes to get back on the road? Not ideal.
My understanding is that you'd have two options. Either:

  • Plan your road trip day to include a lunch break during your recharge**, OR
  • Aim for one of their robotic stations which can remove your fuel cell and give you a new one (fully charged) in a couple minutes at a ... probably steep fee.
**(A nice benefit is that these standard recharges are so far 100% free of cost. And Musk has multiply promised to never change that. So, if you go on one of these road trips now, or wait until years from now and believe him, you can travel from NYC to Los Angeles without paying for gas. That's mighty nice.)

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #654 on: November 07, 2018, 01:19:48 PM »
The "best way" would be to have multiple different measurements using differing techniques, so  this method is an additional technique.

I saw some article a while back about how hard it is to measure mean temperature of something like planetary atmosphere or ocean water, etc., and it was rather mind bogglingly hard.


I appreciate that back and forth. Fascinating. If you can easily find the article you're describing here, I'd enjoy it. Thanks!

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #655 on: November 07, 2018, 01:33:55 PM »
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/energybalance/earthtemperature.html

This is just one written in simpler terms, which is good.  The other one I couldn't find questioned what "average" means with such a concept. Do you just take say 600 readings at noon and midnight and average them?  The satellite readings are considered to be most reliable but they date back to 1979 I think it is.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #656 on: November 07, 2018, 01:46:35 PM »

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #657 on: November 07, 2018, 02:37:07 PM »
Washington's carbon tax rejection isn't as big of a deal as it may seem. Most of their electricity generation is already from hydro, they are one of the biggest EV markets, and already have some of the lowest emissions of all states. The fact that there was 20x as much money spent opposing it as supporting it is rather telling.... Carbon taxes are being implemented elsewhere, including Canada, so it's only a matter of time before it happens in the US, though it already has in a few places locally (including Montgomery County MD just outside of DC).

The bigger disappointment is that Arizona rejected a 50% renewable portfolio standard, though it may be irrelevant since they're already developing so many solar projects.

As for EV charging, I think battery switching will become a more viable option as EVs become more common, but there is a lot of R&D being done to improve the energy density of batteries.
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