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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #364 on: April 12, 2018, 04:36:18 PM »

I'm just not sure that the bean counters particularly care whether or not their truck drivers have to use the more congested I-75.

And the owner/operators are probably not going to have much interest in paying the tolls if there is a toll-free freeway available. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #365 on: April 12, 2018, 04:57:40 PM »
When Illinois first put in the expensive tolls for trucks up near the Wisconsin border, they started to get off before the toll at US Route 41. That lasted about 6 months. They are all paying now. Time is money too.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #366 on: April 12, 2018, 05:01:45 PM »
I'm sure that a percentage of the Trucks would use the toll road, but suspect that the goal is to inspire 100% of the Trucks to use the toll road. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #367 on: April 12, 2018, 05:51:35 PM »
Wsj had piece this week on massive toll paying delinquency by truckers and individuals. 4, 5 figure balances due.  I know Illinois shames people quarterly

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #368 on: April 12, 2018, 06:31:02 PM »
We spend a lot of money widening these interstates, I'm suggesting an alternative for trucks to keep trucks off the regular highway.  If they drove on the regular highway they'd get pulled over.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #369 on: April 12, 2018, 06:34:32 PM »
Nice.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #370 on: April 12, 2018, 06:43:18 PM »
I'm just not sure that the bean counters particularly care whether or not their truck drivers have to use the more congested I-75.
The bean counters most certainly do care. Trucks only make money when they're moving. If the traffic is bad enough on I-75 that the trucks are in stop-and-go, they're using a lot of gas. And with the limits that the truck drivers have regarding rest and off time, sitting in traffic doesn't help them.
Trucks today have very sophisticated tracking systems. I know, I've worked with the companies that build them. They've got GPS, of course, but they're also tied into the onboard computers. They can monitor fuel usage, MPG, etc. Part of this is due to things like taxes, i.e. I believe they don't pay taxes on their fuel directly but they pay each state taxes on how much fuel is consumed when crossing that state. 
If you're sitting in a jam going 10 mph, you're costing that truck company a lot of money. If the traffic is bad enough, the trucking companies would rather pay a reasonable toll than lose money with their trucks sitting in traffic jams.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #371 on: April 12, 2018, 06:45:45 PM »
Taxes on Diesel are included in the pump price, same as on gasoline, and it's higher on Diesel, 25 cents a gallon versus 18.5 cents Federal only, plus 40-60 cents state.

Diesels are fascinating engines but I know they don't spark much interest among some.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #372 on: April 12, 2018, 07:03:45 PM »
The bean counters most certainly do care. Trucks only make money when they're moving. If the traffic is bad enough on I-75 that the trucks are in stop-and-go, they're using a lot of gas. And with the limits that the truck drivers have regarding rest and off time, sitting in traffic doesn't help them.
Trucks today have very sophisticated tracking systems. I know, I've worked with the companies that build them. They've got GPS, of course, but they're also tied into the onboard computers. They can monitor fuel usage, MPG, etc. Part of this is due to things like taxes, i.e. I believe they don't pay taxes on their fuel directly but they pay each state taxes on how much fuel is consumed when crossing that state.
If you're sitting in a jam going 10 mph, you're costing that truck company a lot of money. If the traffic is bad enough, the trucking companies would rather pay a reasonable toll than lose money with their trucks sitting in traffic jams.
Well his plan was between Cincy and Atlanta, where the biggest city is Knoxville or maybe Chattanooga. Not much stop and go traffic unless you are actually in Cincinnati or Atlanta. Unless of course there is construction. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #373 on: April 12, 2018, 07:45:09 PM »
We spend a lot of money widening these interstates, I'm suggesting an alternative for trucks to keep trucks off the regular highway.  If they drove on the regular highway they'd get pulled over.
I believe much of new jersey has a trucks only portion of 95.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #374 on: April 12, 2018, 07:46:02 PM »
Taxes on Diesel are included in the pump price, same as on gasoline, and it's higher on Diesel, 25 cents a gallon versus 18.5 cents Federal only, plus 40-60 cents state.
Yeah, and maybe I have it backwards. Perhaps they pay for their state excise taxes but are able to claim rebates from the state they purchase from if they are paying the taxes to the other states they're driving through. Considering their tanks are hundreds of gallons, they have the ability to entirely pass through multiple states without buying gas. 
Either way I know it was important for them to do this as it related heavily to the taxes of exactly where they were and what state they were using the gas in. Hence, the bean counters were watching *this* very heavily, you know the bean counters will try to optimize anywhere else they can if it saves a dime.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #375 on: April 13, 2018, 05:27:15 AM »
Years ago, I noticed a truck (semi) at a gas station and beside it was stacked 4 cases of oil.  I asked what was happening and the guy told me the engine used 48 quarts of oil for a change.

A fairly simple tactic would be to raise the gas tax 5 cents a gallon each January 1 for a few years.  That would replenish the Federal Highway Trust Fund and we could start to do some of this "infrastructure" stuff.

The I-75/71 bridge over the Ohio River here is well past its replacement date and there are not real plans to replace it, an estimate I saw was $2 billion for the new bridge.  The old one is almost scary.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #376 on: April 13, 2018, 10:19:56 AM »


A fairly simple tactic would be to raise the gas tax 5 cents a gallon each January 1 for a few years.  That would replenish the Federal Highway Trust Fund and we could start to do some of this "infrastructure" stuff.

so, the freight companies pass that on to Walmart and everyone else - I'm fine with that
and then the railroads get fat as well - Warren Buffet is fine with that - and Devilfroggy!
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #377 on: April 13, 2018, 11:02:17 AM »
Every for profit company (and most not) pass on costs to the customer.  The cost can be anything, it gets passed on, with the usual markup.


 

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