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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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longhorn320

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5460 on: December 02, 2021, 10:49:51 AM »
what really matters is not per capita

what really matters is quantity as a whole by country

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5461 on: December 02, 2021, 11:19:26 AM »
in your considered opinion..

I provided both
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5462 on: December 02, 2021, 11:19:37 AM »
I disagree, I think they both matter.

We should hold China and India accountable, but at the same time, we should also recognize that we have our own problems here, and work to address them in reasonable, sensible ways.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5463 on: December 02, 2021, 11:46:04 AM »
what really matters is not per capita

what really matters is quantity as a whole by country
What really matters is quantity. In the end, it doesn't matter what land mass surrounded by what border emissions came from.

Dealing with national governments may be a way to coordinate efforts, but in the end a CO2 molecule doesn't carry a passport.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5464 on: December 02, 2021, 12:19:48 PM »
I like that graphic, I copied it to FB, I'll get some expected reactions.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5465 on: December 02, 2021, 12:37:07 PM »
I like that graphic, I copied it to FB, I'll get some expected reactions.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5466 on: December 02, 2021, 02:28:59 PM »
I disagree, I think they both matter.

We should hold China and India accountable, but at the same time, we should also recognize that we have our own problems here, and work to address them in reasonable, sensible ways.


yes the US could reduce its 15% world contribution of carbon emissions down to zero and other then destroying our way of life it will make no difference
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5467 on: December 02, 2021, 02:35:53 PM »
I think we can make some prudent steps, but we won't, we'll throw money at it and then wonder why it didn't help.

"We" have chosen sides, either it's THE crucial emergency issue facing us OR it's a made up nothing.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5468 on: December 02, 2021, 03:01:54 PM »
yes the US could reduce its 15% world contribution of carbon emissions down to zero and other then destroying our way of life it will make no difference
The city of Los Angeles could reduce its emissions and the air would be cleaner and healthier.  You're acting like we don't have major issues with pollution in the USA, and that's a really silly take, because it's completely wrong.

The first time I ever went to Chicago, I found I could stare directly at the sun at midday without there being a cloud in the sky.  The locals had no idea that this wasn't normal or right.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5469 on: December 02, 2021, 04:37:59 PM »
big difference between cleaning up environmental problems in major cities and having a blanket carbon emissions reduction program

Im as much for clean air and water as the next guy what Im not for is destroying our current energy industries 

China is just sitting back and laughing at us and the direction our current leaders are trying to take us

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5470 on: December 02, 2021, 04:44:58 PM »
I never mentioned a blanket carbon emissions program.  That bit is all you.

I'm saying that looking at the per capita emissions is demonstrative, in showing that we are one of the countries causing the most damage to our own environment and our own people.  We need to be looking at that, and not just the total numbers, which as you point out we can't do anything about.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5471 on: December 02, 2021, 05:01:40 PM »
I never mentioned a blanket carbon emissions program.  That bit is all you.

I'm saying that looking at the per capita emissions is demonstrative, in showing that we are one of the countries causing the most damage to our own environment and our own people.  We need to be looking at that, and not just the total numbers, which as you point out we can't do anything about.


carbon emissions and environmental pollution are not necessarily the same or to say it another way while carbon emissions are included in smog it has little to do with many other types of pollution

carbon emissions can be measured on its own and to say we have a more serious problem then China due to our population size is just unrealistic

I never said we cant do anything about carbon emissions but if the US did what it would take to reduce carbon emissions to a meaningful lever with no support from China India and others it would be a waste of effort and would just reduce our standard of living with no reward

in the meantime yes we should strive to target existing pollution and clean it up


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5472 on: December 02, 2021, 05:10:09 PM »
Shut coal plants with a solid plan to replace that power.  Biggest bang for the buck across the board.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5473 on: December 02, 2021, 05:16:36 PM »
Shut coal plants with a solid plan to replace that power.  Biggest bang for the buck across the board.
if we do that we should do it to reduce pollution not to fight global warming
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