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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5362 on: November 02, 2021, 11:18:41 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Exactly. Decades of societal unrest, war, mass starvation, and human misery? Complete economic breakdown. The few remaining humans [as I expect some would survive] being returned to a stone-age level existence?

I may not like people, but I don't wish that on anyone.


Yes you do. 



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5363 on: November 03, 2021, 09:07:14 AM »
China leaning hard into nuclear power. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5364 on: November 03, 2021, 09:23:40 AM »
China is leaning hard into coal.

China's coal consumption seen rising in 2021, imports steady | Reuters
China's coal consumption seen rising in 2021, imports steady | Reuters
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5365 on: November 03, 2021, 09:24:14 AM »
good, if China does it well, perhaps the USA and other countries will be jealous and get the clue
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5366 on: November 03, 2021, 09:25:08 AM »
Yup forget how many coal burning plants that are planned by them for the 3rd world
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5367 on: November 03, 2021, 09:31:45 AM »
Very good case to be made that China doing much more to tackle climate change compared to US, who is still nibbling around the edges
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5368 on: November 03, 2021, 09:35:54 AM »
China Wants To Go Carbon-Neutral — And Won't Stop Burning Coal To Get There : NPR
China Wants To Go Carbon-Neutral — And Won't Stop Burning Coal To Get There : NPR

Last year, China committed to going carbon-neutral by 2060, an ambitious undertaking for a country that still relies on coal for more than half its energy needs. The country has invested heavily in solar, wind and nuclear energy. Yet coal-fired heavy industry still made up about 37% of all its economic activity last year, and some provinces are even planning to increase coal-fired power generation.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5369 on: November 03, 2021, 09:51:11 AM »
China planning 150 new nuclear reactors. US planning 2, as far as I can tell. Goes along with the constant drumbeat in the US that building anything new or doing anything is almost impossible.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5370 on: November 03, 2021, 10:09:31 AM »
The US has two new power reactors nearing completion (someday, hopefully).  I don't think any more are planned.  Nuclear has bad optics among many voters who want wind and solar, but not near them.

China's numbers on CO2 generation in the years ahead are really bad.  Whatever else they are doing is pretty much optics and PR, not substance.  The US has made decent progress by phasing out coal, slowly, and burning more NG.

China | Climate Action Tracker

We estimate China’s emissions to be 13.8 GtCO2e in 2020, while its current policies projections would reach 13.2 to 14.5 GtCO2e in 2030, meaning that China is within range to overachieve its existing 2030 non-fossil and carbon intensity NDC targets off the back of its recent policies. Once again, though, we find that China's current policies are “insufficient” to meet the Paris agreements 1.5oC limit, and more consistent with a global warming of 3oC.

Under these projections, China would also be within the range of achieving its newly proposed, but “Highly insufficient” non-fossil and renewable capacity NDC targets, representing an opportunity to enhance those draft targets before formally submitting to the UNFCCC. Forthcoming sector and climate plans from the 14th FYP are expected to give more clarity on sectoral policies and near-term climate ambition.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5371 on: November 03, 2021, 10:30:24 AM »
Building 150 nuclear plants is the exact opposite of optics and PR
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5372 on: November 03, 2021, 10:36:07 AM »
Hopefully they build them a little more sturdy than the junk that they export here. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5373 on: November 03, 2021, 10:36:21 AM »
Your response is indicative of how well the optics play with the gullible over the substance of their actual efforts.

They are building some solar and wind power as well.  But the numbers don't lie.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5374 on: November 03, 2021, 10:43:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 03, 2021, 10:36:21 AM
Your response is indicative of how well the optics play with the gullible over the substance of their actual efforts.

They are building some solar and wind power as well.  But the numbers don't lie.
I think the only gullible people are the ones trying to believe China is doing nothing. That was presented as a big reason we couldn't do anything, and it turns out to be a bunch of silliness. The numbers don't lie - nuclear power is essential to reducing carbon emissions - China following a common sense path here.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5375 on: November 03, 2021, 10:58:39 AM »
planning to build 150 nuke plants and getting them up and running are two different things

now, they don't worry about if their citizens want to live next to a nuke plant, that is one big hurdle they do not have

I hope they build 200 of them and it goes very well and the rest of the world follows
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