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Cincydawg · « **Reply #5236 on:** September 29, 2021, 09:08:46 AM »

I chuckled at this, a bit, inside:

Greta Thunberg: Last 30 years of climate action amount to 'blah, blah, blah' | TheHill
Greta Thunberg: Last 30 years of climate action amount to 'blah, blah, blah' | TheHill

Blah blah blah.

And what has she proposed that is any more specific?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5237 on:** September 29, 2021, 10:16:32 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on September 29, 2021, 09:08:46 AM

And what has she proposed that is any more specific?

Blah blah blah rings a bell.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5238 on:** September 29, 2021, 05:26:48 PM »

I am a bit curious how various younger folks get to their 15 minutes of "fame". For some unfortunately, it's because they've gone missing, and we all know hundreds go missing each year and we never hear about it, but one, usually a fairly attractive young female will dominate "the news" for days. Then you have these spokespeople for some "critical cause" who suddenly get attention and notice, I never understand why them? I can't recall any that had any substantive message. But they garner attention, by the "media", who look to get noticed of course.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5239 on:** October 04, 2021, 10:39:16 AM »

Significant size oil spill off the coast of Orange County. Beaches closed in Huntington and Laguna, and it wouldn't surprise me if Newport shortly follows suit.

Not good

utee94 · « **Reply #5240 on:** October 04, 2021, 11:09:28 AM »

Ugh that sucks. Those are my favorite beaches in the Orange County/LA area. What about Dana Point?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5241 on:** October 04, 2021, 11:41:34 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 04, 2021, 11:09:28 AM

Ugh that sucks. Those are my favorite beaches in the Orange County/LA area. What about Dana Point?

So far I haven't heard anything, but this whole thing basically started late Fri night or Sat, and I didn't even hear about it until last night.

The spill is centered around Huntington Beach. Dana Point is even one town farther south than Laguna Beach, so it's possible they're not affected. But again, the standard direction of travel of ocean currents is north-to-south, so I could potentially see them doing so out of caution if it doesn't dissipate well enough as it heads south.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5242 on:** October 05, 2021, 12:59:20 PM »

Nobel Prize winner says governments must take 'urgent' action on climate | TheHill
Nobel Prize winner says governments must take 'urgent' action on climate | TheHill

OK, what comprises "urgent action"? Notice how often someone wants something done but they offer no specifics.

There is a reason for this, what would have to happen to do much of anything positive is simply impossible, and even if a few countries take drastic steps, most will not, and two will do almost nothing.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5243 on:** October 05, 2021, 10:31:30 PM »

OK, what comprises "must"?

there is no "must" and there won't be an "urgent action"

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5244 on:** October 06, 2021, 08:32:57 AM »

It is language folks use when they wish to sound insistent, some of them realize nothing real will happen.

Governments will throw money at the problem, basically enriching the insiders, and subsidizing wealthy folks to buy $70K EVs. There is no coherent plan, as I keep noting, because there simply isn't one anywhere that is remotely realistic. The path needed I've cited before is completely unrealilstic, it's laughable. It starts with no more coal plants after 2020, and China is blowing right through that.

At great cost, western nations will do a little bit, and complain down the road that they didn't do more.

I've mentioned my own plan for the US would be to replace coal fired plants fairly quickly, I could get down with that. Coal is nasty.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #5245 on:** October 06, 2021, 10:09:09 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on October 06, 2021, 08:32:57 AM

It is language folks use when they wish to sound insistent, some of them realize nothing real will happen.

Governments will throw money at the problem, basically enriching the insiders, and subsidizing wealthy folks to buy $70K EVs. There is no coherent plan, as I keep noting, because there simply isn't one anywhere that is remotely realistic. The path needed I've cited before is completely unrealilstic, it's laughable. It starts with no more coal plants after 2020, and China is blowing right through that.

At great cost, western nations will do a little bit, and complain down the road that they didn't do more.

I've mentioned my own plan for the US would be to replace coal fired plants fairly quickly, I could get down with that. Coal is nasty.

It is my understanding that coal power plants are equipped with scrubbers that make the emissions much better environmentally

is this not the case

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5246 on:** October 06, 2021, 11:02:26 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on October 06, 2021, 10:09:09 AM

It is my understanding that coal power plants are equipped with scrubbers that make the emissions much better environmentally

is this not the case

This reduces SO2 and NOx emissions, but not CO2, and the process generates a lot of waste. Coal plants account for about 20% of our electricity and over 60% of the CO2 generated by electricity production. But coal is generally nasty cradle to grave.

So, if we want to put up a good number on CO2, replace the coal fired plants as quickly as possible. Maybe with nuclear. Ha.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5247 on:** October 06, 2021, 11:50:55 AM »

Why Tesla's solar business has not yet taken off as Elon Musk promised (cnbc.com)
Why Tesla's solar business has not yet taken off as Elon Musk promised (cnbc.com)

Looks like it could be a real mess. No solar tiles yet obviously.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5248 on:** October 06, 2021, 11:52:54 AM »

She lays it out pretty much as I would:

15 minutes | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

In spite of the numerous UN treaties and agreements to reduce emissions, the atmospheric CO2 concentration relentlessly continues to increase
The challenge to getting to netzero by 2050 is illustrated by this diagram from the International Energy Agency. This figure shows the pathways for emissions reductions that the major economies need to take to reach netzero by 2050. Europe and the US have already turned the corner, but they still have a very steep path to netzero. By 2050, global emissions will be dominated by whatever China and India have done, or have failed to do.
The IEA roadmap finds that there is a possible but very narrow pathway to netzero by 2050, provided that there’s a huge leap in energy innovation and major efforts to build new infrastructure. Others find that reaching netzero by 2050 is a social and technological impossibility.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #5249 on:** October 06, 2021, 12:59:47 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on October 06, 2021, 11:02:26 AM

This reduces SO2 and NOx emissions, but not CO2, and the process generates a lot of waste. Coal plants account for about 20% of our electricity and over 60% of the CO2 generated by electricity production. But coal is generally nasty cradle to grave.

So, if we want to put up a good number on CO2, replace the coal fired plants as quickly as possible. Maybe with nuclear. Ha.

what about this

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