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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4522 on: March 24, 2021, 09:49:14 AM »
apparently, you are not experienced in herding sheep or other livestock
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4523 on: March 24, 2021, 09:53:25 AM »
much talk about China and India ignoring climate change..........

Russia, 4th in the world seems to also be doing nothing.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41825-019-00016-8

This article provides an overview of Russian energy policy in the context of the global energy transition. Russia, ranking fourth in the world in primary energy consumption and carbon dioxide emissions, adheres to the strategy of “business as usual” and relies on fossil fuels. Decarbonization of the energy sector is not yet on the horizon: a skeptical attitude towards the problem of global climate change prevails among stakeholders. GDP energy intensity remains high, supported by relatively low energy prices and high cost of capital. The share of solar and wind energy in the energy balance is insignificant and is not expected to exceed 1% by 2040.
Of course. 
It's like the luxury of eating healthily......no other country has the luxury that we do of picking how to produce energy, they just need energy.  It's the same as if you were wealthy and learned and wanted to eat a low-carb, low-trans fat diet, BUT the rest of the world is just trying to consume calories.
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Someone has to be first and model the behavior.  Once other countries get to the point that they have the luxury of picking and choosing, then it'll be possible for them to follow in our footsteps (or not).
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4524 on: March 24, 2021, 09:53:51 AM »
‘Decarbonisation’ may be the wrong goal for energy – here’s why

https://theconversation.com/decarbonisation-may-be-the-wrong-goal-for-energy-heres-why-148388

The authors looked at correlations between energy policy and emissions. They noticed that countries pursuing nuclear power don’t tend to have significantly lower levels of carbon emissions, while those committed to renewable energy do tend to be linked with significantly lower national emissions overall. While the study looked at data from 1990 to 2014 and only revealed statistical relationships rather than direct causes, it did show clearly for the first time that countries investing in nuclear power don’t necessarily reduce their carbon emissions.

There’s an important lesson here. If the objective is simply decarbonisation of electricity, then all low-carbon energy sources can be considered equal. But when it actually comes to reaching net-zero emissions as quickly as possible, not all low-carbon energy sources are equally useful.

France has a lot of nuclear power percentagewise, around 75%, and low carbon emissions as well.  I don't understand the assertion.

A lot of carbon is generated in transportation of course.  If you replaced your coal with nuclear, your carbon emissions will go down a lot.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4525 on: March 24, 2021, 09:55:19 AM »
I don't care to "be first".  I care to be rational and sensible, not worried about setting some kind of expensive example for others.

We have plans to spend a ton of money for very very very little benefit, we KNOW that, it's not up for debate by anyone serious about it.

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« Reply #4526 on: March 24, 2021, 10:25:46 AM »
France has a lot of nuclear power percentagewise, around 75%, and low carbon emissions as well.  I don't understand the assertion.

A lot of carbon is generated in transportation of course.  If you replaced your coal with nuclear, your carbon emissions will go down a lot.
I didn't follow the logic either, was wondering if youse smart fellers would "get it" or discredit it
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4527 on: March 24, 2021, 10:30:04 AM »
I think we could benefit a lot from nuclear power

problem is the US is scared to death of it

most citizens just dont want to live within 50 miles of a nuclear plant
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4528 on: March 24, 2021, 10:41:25 AM »
shoot, a bunch of South Dakota rural folks didn't want to live within 10 miles of an oil refinery

some folks here in Iowa didn't want to live within 10 miles of a pork packing plant
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« Reply #4529 on: March 24, 2021, 10:42:47 AM »
I think we could benefit a lot from nuclear power

problem is the US is scared to death of it

most citizens just dont want to live within 50 miles of a nuclear plant
Austin pulled out of STNP in the 80s.  It was controversial at the time, now nobody even remembers.

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« Reply #4530 on: March 24, 2021, 11:12:05 AM »
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4531 on: March 24, 2021, 11:22:13 AM »
The French use nukes for 75% of their power.  It poked out as an issue and Macron initially said they would move away from nukes, then someone did some math for him.

The Germans are replacing their nukes with coal, in part, yay.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4532 on: March 24, 2021, 11:23:33 AM »
Of course.
It's like the luxury of eating healthily......no other country has the luxury that we do of picking how to produce energy, they just need energy.  It's the same as if you were wealthy and learned and wanted to eat a low-carb, low-trans fat diet, BUT the rest of the world is just trying to consume calories.
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Someone has to be first and model the behavior.  Once other countries get to the point that they have the luxury of picking and choosing, then it'll be possible for them to follow in our footsteps (or not).
So let's see how this works...

  • America raises the price of energy, causing the price of all domestic goods and services to increase markedly. 
  • This reduces international demand for carbon-based energy, thus [due to simple supply/demand] reducing the costs of all other countries who still rely on carbon-bases energy sources.
  • This imbalance causes even more production of goods to be outsourced to other countries because the relative costs of productions have increased in the US and decreased everywhere else.
  • America's economic growth declines while other countries' economic growth increases, reducing America's relative stature in the world and leads to the resurgence of Russia and the growth of China into a superpower on par with America.
  • The net result is that we've done nothing to curb global warming; we've just shifted economic activity out of the US and into other countries. 

I'm not sure this is the best sales strategy for American voters... But go with it and see where it gets ya!



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4533 on: March 24, 2021, 11:24:42 AM »
The French use nukes for 75% of their power.  It poked out as an issue and Macron initially said they would move away from nukes, then someone did some math for him.

The Germans are replacing their nukes with coal, in part, yay.
isnt there a way to capture a major portion of the co2 released by a coal power plant

I thought we had the technology to do that
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4534 on: March 24, 2021, 11:25:35 AM »
isnt there a way to capture a major portion of the co2 released by a coal power plant

I thought we had the technology to do that
Not practicably, it's terribly expensive and requires enormous power.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4535 on: March 24, 2021, 11:27:15 AM »
I have not seen a person without a mask inside a store in ages around here.  I used to see one on occasion.

Same with inside our building, we had one guy who refused to wear a mask, I once barred his entry into the elevator and told him to get the next one.  He grunted at me.  "We" apparently fined him and I have not seen him around.

 

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