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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4256 on: February 16, 2021, 11:35:33 AM »
Fossil fuel consumption was down in 2020 due to the pandemic.  I’m curious to see if there is a corresponding inflection in the rise in atmospheric CO2.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4257 on: February 16, 2021, 11:35:53 AM »
Carbon tax designed to be revenue neutral offsetting perhaps a portion of the payroll tax.

It won't "solve the problem" but it's a good hard nudge in the right direction.
Care to develop that thought further?  How high would it have to be to begin to diminish fossil fuel usage?


(1) The carbon tax is going up. Here’s how much more you could pay at the pumps | Globalnews.ca

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4258 on: February 16, 2021, 11:36:32 AM »
Fossil furl consumption was down in 2020 due to the pandemic.  I’m curious to see if there is a corresponding inflection in the rise in atmospheric CO2.
The drop was pretty small really, 4-7%, not enough to change the slope of CO2 measurements.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4259 on: February 16, 2021, 12:11:19 PM »
Care to develop that thought further?  How high would it have to be to begin to diminish fossil fuel usage?


(1) The carbon tax is going up. Here’s how much more you could pay at the pumps | Globalnews.ca
I don't know about the numbers. We fleshed this out several months ago and it seemed clear that the carbon tax to completely offset the entire payroll tax would be so high as to be impossible. So you need a smaller number.

But the key of it is that it's designed for simplicity. As a general rule, taxing things make them more expensive and thus means you'll get less of them. In this case, we are taxing employment which will ostensibly reduce it (dumb) while not taxing CO2 output which is something we want to reduce (also dumb). 

Ideally if you reduce taxes on employment, you'll either get more employment, or wages will rise so that money goes into the workers pocket, or the money gets returned to shareholders as corporate earnings.

Ideally if you increase taxes on CO2 output, you'll see reduced CO2 output because it makes every CO2 alternative relatively cheaper, or even if you don't have substitutes the raised cost will cause people to think more about their consumption and perhaps just reduce non-essential energy usage. 

As I said, I don't think it will reduce CO2 output enough to make a difference. But it's a lot smarter to increase the price of CO2 output while reducing the price of labor. Tax what you want less of. Don't tax what you want more of.

Maybe it doesn't solve climate change, but it's a lot smarter than how we're taxing now. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4260 on: February 16, 2021, 12:18:22 PM »
Fossil fuel consumption was down in 2020 due to the pandemic.  I’m curious to see if there is a corresponding inflection in the rise in atmospheric CO2.
and it caused a slight increase of the world's temp because the sun hit the earth instead of the smog
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4261 on: February 16, 2021, 12:21:38 PM »
We've got at least 7" of climate change outside going to plow as it's decided to pick up steam again
sending record low temps your way

-27 this morning, broke the record low of -25 set back in 1936.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4262 on: February 16, 2021, 12:41:01 PM »
we are almost done with this cold snap

over 2,000,000 have no power

lets build more wind turbines 

Texas has huge natural gas and oil deposits and we are screwing around with wind turbines

I guess that just shows that sooner or later we will all get what we deserve
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4263 on: February 16, 2021, 12:51:26 PM »

I guess that just shows that sooner or later we will all get what we deserve
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4264 on: February 16, 2021, 12:53:00 PM »
apparently, your natural gas wells froze up

my power company, owned by Buffet, has asked us to conserve natural gas because of frozen wells, but not electricity.

I'm guessing if 2 million Texans are not consuming electricity there is plenty of capacity on the grid for a few Iowans
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4265 on: February 16, 2021, 12:57:25 PM »
apparently, your natural gas wells froze up

my power company, owned by Buffet, has asked us to conserve natural gas because of frozen wells, but not electricity.

I'm guessing if 2 million Texans are not consuming electricity there is plenty of capacity on the grid for a few Iowans
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4266 on: February 16, 2021, 01:05:44 PM »
Without innovation, we can't solve climate change.

That is what I've been posting here, repeatedly.  So, what innovation is on the horizon somewhere? Nuclear fusion?  That seems at best 50 years off from real production of power.  Wind mill and solar cell efficiencies are nearing theoretical limits.  Battery tech is getting better, bit by bit.

We need real solutions, not someday imaginary ones.
And the answer is "we can't solve climate change". The Earths climate is in a constant state of change. It has and always will be that way. Why do we think that mankind has any power to change that? The climate is mainly influenced by the Sun. Any carbon that we produce (or more correctly, release) is absorbed by those things that grow tall and have a bunch of leaves on them, along with other plants. 

All this talk about reducing our carbon footprint is nothing but a power grab by the wealthy and those elected to serve them. If you want to know about the push to solve climate change, just follow the money. Al Gore and John Kerry have made millions from it, but they will still continue to fleece anyone willing to send money their way. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4267 on: February 16, 2021, 02:16:55 PM »
We've got at least 7" of climate change outside going to plow as it's decided to pick up steam again
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4268 on: February 16, 2021, 04:23:53 PM »
May be an image of snow and text that says 'LOVID team measuring snow'
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4269 on: February 17, 2021, 09:10:49 AM »
Gonna be 81 here today. Yesterday was a chilly 72.
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