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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4116 on: February 13, 2021, 11:58:22 AM »
We'll see if the current crop continues to rob our children and grandchildren so they can be a bit richer.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4117 on: February 13, 2021, 01:55:01 PM »
Spend money for tiny benefit, at best.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4118 on: February 13, 2021, 01:58:50 PM »
Certainly a much bigger benefit than most things we spend money on
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4119 on: February 13, 2021, 04:05:26 PM »
I don't think so at all obviously.

Much of what is spent is for a good cause even if it is wastefully done.

A tiny benefit no one can notice, ever, at great cost. Idiotic in my book.

What else in the Federal budget is spent with no purpose that is hundreds of billions?  We're already in serious debt and that is getting worse rapidly.  More senseless spending is contrary to any common sense.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4120 on: February 13, 2021, 05:02:21 PM »
We spent many sheckles on the war in Iraq, and what did we get out of it? A war in Iraq. I guess at least we got what we bargained for. Contrast that to spending on climate change, where we have at least a nominal goal and can measure success to some degree.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4121 on: February 13, 2021, 06:22:32 PM »
Government does waste money, I don't see that as reason to waste more.  Cost-benefit.  Simple concept.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4122 on: February 13, 2021, 06:52:46 PM »
I'm a fan of trying to maintain the composition of the atmosphere. Not too liberal when it comes to monkeying around with that, so I think it's money well spent.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4123 on: February 13, 2021, 06:55:36 PM »
Well, let's review.  I've shown there is no plan.  We don't know how much anything would cost, or what would be done, even in broad strokes, and we don't know the benefit, except that we KNOW the benefit will be trifling.  Tiny.  Absurdly small.

I'm not in favor of spending billions with no benefit.

We'd be better off looking into how best to manage what is inevitable at this point.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4124 on: February 13, 2021, 08:06:38 PM »
In contrast, I've shown there is no shortage of plans, the costs are minimal compared to potential benefits, and the costs of doing nothing are huge. Wasteful. Terrible. A complete abdication of responsibility both environmentally and economically. 

It's simply nonsensical to waste money like that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4125 on: February 14, 2021, 08:10:06 AM »
Cite one real plan with costs, methods, and expected benefits.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4126 on: February 14, 2021, 09:28:06 AM »
I'd like to see China's plan.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4127 on: February 14, 2021, 09:46:17 AM »
China has a PR plan, and I suspect the US "plan" will amount to the same, PR, plus billions for a select few who get contracts.

A real plan would include:

Projected costs over time.
Projected benefits over time (CO1 reductions leading to ostensibly reductions in increasing T)
Some outline of the how.

The "how" needs to be more specific than "build more wind and solar".  Those government estimates for our energy sources by 2050 show how daunting the problem really is.  And as noted, EVs are going to increase demand.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4128 on: February 14, 2021, 09:50:02 AM »
I think any plan needs to account for what the sun wants to do with itself. Someone needs to talk to the sun.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4129 on: February 14, 2021, 09:51:54 AM »
I've seen some information on solar activity here and there, the studies seem to be all over the place.

I'm not sure the sun is a factor at this point, it could be.
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