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MrNubbz

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3374 on: August 21, 2020, 07:28:40 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 20, 2020, 02:07:51 PM
 I've spent 42 years not ever feeling like I truly "belonged" with "normal" people. Do you know what that's like? 
You saying we're not normal,here?Well you just go sit in the corner with OAM until called upon.I'll get back to you when I'm done with my Yuengling and Quacker Oats

PS we're all a little whack.Look at the time spent on a Football Forum,that's not had or likely gonna have football.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3375 on: August 21, 2020, 07:34:36 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 20, 2020, 02:37:26 PM

Yessir. Yes I do. Shocking, I know.

Anyway, I think that I have made my point. Be it "empathy" or whatever you want to call it, it is all politics and no science (paraphrasing your "all hat and no cattle" joke.)

If you still aren't getting it, then I must have communication skills that are even worse than those belonging to an individual who types Ebonics in all caps. Either way, I'm gonna bow out and let y'all talk about the weather.

It's hot here.
I would just add that telling people they must act a certain way based on some factor out of their control is absolutely politics, not science.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3376 on: August 21, 2020, 07:58:40 AM »
What would be the tangible difference in CO2 output over the next 8 years if either party wins the White House?

Significant?  Marginal?  Negligible?  Massive?  

Guesstimates?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3377 on: August 21, 2020, 08:45:45 AM »
Negligible at best
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3378 on: August 21, 2020, 08:46:31 AM »
the Egg Lobby doing good................

When Rose Acre Farms, the nation’s second-largest egg producer, wanted to add sustainability and innovation to its North Carolina operations, it turned to its local electric cooperative and an idea was hatched: a microgrid with utility-scale solar energy.

The system—a 2-megawatt solar array, a 2.5-MW battery, backup diesel generation and a controller—is being facilitated by Pantego-based Tideland EMC and will serve the egg producer’s Hyde County facility.

“We are excited to work with North Carolina’s Electric Cooperatives and Tideland EMC in creating a sustainable and efficient energy source for our Hyde County Egg Farm,” said Tony Wesner, chief operating officer at Rose Acre Farms. “Not only will this partnership help us reach our own sustainability and environmental goals, but it will also strengthen our local community by offering a more reliable and environmentally responsible power source.”

The co-op said the solution will give the egg producer the flexibility to meet its environmental goals while keeping power costs reasonable. The solar array is expected to offset up to a third of the farm’s total energy use.

NRECA worked with NCEMC and Tideland to deliver this microgrid. It is one of four ongoing battery projects involving five co-ops, NRECA and the Department of Energy’s Office of Electricity that will yield valuable findings on energy storage. The others include Poudre Valley Rural Electric Association in Colorado, West River Electric Association in South Dakota, and Sandhills Utility Services in North Carolina.


https://www.electric.coop/nc-co-ops-help-egg-farm-add-microgrid/?MessageRunDetailID=3199168678&PostID=18549517&utm_medium=email&utm_source=rasa_io
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3379 on: August 21, 2020, 08:52:18 AM »
I do wonder if smaller operations like that can benefit from a solar system, off grid perhaps.

Does it pay out?  Or is it for PR?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3380 on: August 21, 2020, 09:48:16 AM »
Nearly half of U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions are from petroleum use
In 2019, about 46% of U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions came from burning petroleum fuels, 33% came from burning natural gas, and 21% came from burning coal. Although the industrial sector is the largest consumer of energy (including direct fuel use and electricity purchases from the electric power sector), the transportation sector emits more CO2 because of its near complete dependence on petroleum fuels.

U.S. energy consumption b ysource, 2019 total = 100.2 quadrillion British thermal units U.S. energy-related carbon dioxideemissions by source, 2019 total = 5,130 million metric tonspetroleum37%petroleum37%nonfossil20%nonfossil20%coal11%coal11%natural gas32%natural gas32%natural gas33%natural gas33%petroleum46%petroleum46%coal21%coal21%



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3381 on: August 21, 2020, 10:01:24 AM »
So, petroleum = transportation.  Electrification at least shifts that to other sources.  It seems this is where the meat is today in the US.

That 21% from coal is large enough to merit effort to reduce/eliminate, and I think we could do that in 10-15 years plausibly.  Nuclear would be the most parallel generating option to coal in terms of base load, but other than the two new power reactors in GA, that looks like a done deal, and closures of older nuke plants is likely going to make this a negative.  That leaves NG, which reduces GHG by a third versus coal, and wind/solar, which unfortunately are intermittent sources, not ideal for base load without storage.

So, let's imagine with some effort/expense, the US drives coal to 1% by 2035, and at least personal vehicles by then are half EVs.  Can wind and solar along make up for the loss of coal?  Not really, the math doesn't work, and converting automobiles to half EVs puts additional demand on the grid, mostly at night where solar is zero.

See why there is no plan?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3382 on: August 21, 2020, 11:31:47 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 21, 2020, 07:34:36 AM
I would just add that telling people they must act a certain way based on some factor out of their control is absolutely politics, not science.
It does not surprise me that you would add another straw man. Not much else in your arsenal. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3383 on: August 21, 2020, 11:39:53 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 21, 2020, 11:31:47 AM
It does not surprise me that you would add another straw man. Not much else in your arsenal.
Well tree facts and science are on my side, so not sure what else I need. But the general argument that trans people don't really exist is rooted in politics.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3384 on: August 21, 2020, 11:43:30 AM »
I didn't make a claim that trans people don't exist. Nor did i claim that gay people don't exist. Nor did I say anything that could even remotely be construed as such. At all. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3385 on: August 21, 2020, 11:47:34 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 21, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
I didn't make a claim that trans people don't exist. Nor did i claim that gay people don't exist. Nor did I say anything that could even remotely be construed as such. At all.
Nor can anyone figure out what you are arguing
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3386 on: August 21, 2020, 11:57:20 AM »
C'mon boys. Take it to the stream already.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3387 on: August 21, 2020, 11:59:15 AM »
I was arguing that those who consider men to be women are engaging in the act of science denial for political purposes. 

Never once did I argue anything even remotely similar to a claim the lgbt community doesn't actually exist. 

I think you knew that. But carry on with your brainless straw men. I'm out. 
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