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Geolion91

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2017, 01:56:41 PM »
Hmmm, I thought most of them already did generate power.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2017, 02:46:24 PM »
I've driven across the one at Greenup several times and looked for a power plant (signs of power lines etc.).  Nothing there.  Just a bridge and the dam and locks.

Having four produce a bit of power is a small something I think.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2017, 09:10:50 AM »
I've not been to most of the dams on the Ohio.  I have been on many on the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers.  Nearly all of them have powerplants, I mistakenly thought power production on the larger dams was typical.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2017, 03:02:07 PM »
DES MOINES, Iowa – (Sept. 21, 2017) – MidAmerican Energy Company is set to upgrade hundreds of its older wind turbines, bringing additional wind energy and cost savings to Iowa customers. The equipment upgrades will move MidAmerican Energy closer to its vision of providing renewable energy equal to 100% of its customers’ annual energy use.

MidAmerican Energy recently received approval from the Iowa Utilities Board for a plan that will allow the company to repower a portion of its older wind fleet to make the turbines more efficient and productive. The outcome is good for MidAmerican Energy’s customers and for Iowa. 

Under the plan, many of MidAmerican Energy’s older General Electric wind turbines will be retrofitted with newer, more efficient components, including longer blades, to extend the life of the turbines. These changes will increase the amount of clean, safe, affordable and reliable energy serving Iowa customers. 

“We’re excited to take this next step in our journey toward our 100% Renewable Energy Vision,” said Bill Fehrman, president and CEO of MidAmerican Energy. “Repowering our older wind turbines brings us closer to achieving that vision in a way that provides both economic and environmental benefits to our customers and the state of Iowa. In 2021 when both our repowering and Wind XI projects are complete, we expect to generate renewable energy equal to 95% of our Iowa retail customers’ annual use.”

Because energy generated from wind has no fuel costs, the repowering project will reduce the costs associated with generating electricity from other sources, which helps keep energy costs low and stable for MidAmerican Energy’s Iowa customers. With the extended life of the wind turbines, landowners at the repowering sites will continue to receive lease payments for a longer period and counties will receive tax revenue for an extended period. 

MidAmerican Energy has entered into definitive agreements with GE to complete the upgrades.

“We are delighted to work with MidAmerican Energy to repower their turbines,” said Pete McCabe, president and CEO, Onshore Wind, GE Renewable Energy. “Repowering is an affordable way to increase the efficiency and output of turbines, improving reliability and extending the life of the turbines through the evolution of and advancements in technology.”

Beginning in 2017, wind turbines will be repowered at the Century wind farm in Wright and Hamilton counties, the Victory wind farm in Crawford and Carroll counties, and the Intrepid wind farm in Buena Vista and Sac counties. Additional work sites and schedules will be announced at a later date.

As with the $3.6 billion, 2,000-megawatt Wind XI project announced in 2016, MidAmerican Energy is not asking for an increase in customer rates or for financial assistance from the state to pay for repowering. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #74 on: October 17, 2017, 03:08:00 PM »
An interesting blog site for anyone wanting more reading on the topic in language more understandable than primary scientific journals.
https://judithcurry.com/2017/10/06/jc-interview-hurricanes-and-global-warming/
I realize Curry is viewed by many as a "skeptic" etc. because she doesn't toe the line, but I find her blog to be both thoughtful and also provides references to other blogs and discussion sites that are clearly not skeptics.
Like many areas with technical complexity, this isn't a site you can read quickly and "prove" this or that, or even find compelling clear cut conclusions that might fit your internal biases. Most people, as noted, believe what they want to believe and simply seek confirmation for that while discounting anything contrary as irrelevant or flawed. This site isn't for them.
https://judithcurry.com/
https://judithcurry.com/2017/06/04/paris-accord-qtiips/#more-23104
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/aug/30/bjorn-lomborg-climate-change-profile

And yes, I am aware that Curry is labeled by some as a denier in the pockets of Big Oil, but her statements don't sound like that to me anyway.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2017, 10:19:01 PM »
Iowa is one of the leading wind states (particularly per capita), as is Texas and most of the Great Plains states in between. It goes to show that renewables should not be a political issue. It's all about cost-effectiveness, and it's primarily natural gas (though increasingly wind & solar) that's killing coal and to a lesser extent nuclear. If you want to venture into the unmoderated board, I occasionally put my thoughts on the Electricity thread.

I recently got a new job at an ESCo (an energy services company, which are companies that finance energy efficiency upgrades and/or roof-top solar and other forms of on-site generation), and our biggest growth opportunity is with microgrids (buildings and campuses that can meet their energy needs independently of the grid), especially in the aftermath of the hurricanes in the past few months.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2017, 06:11:35 AM »
The figures clearly show NG has put the major dent in replacing coal over the past two decades (enabled by fracking interestingly enough).  I think wind is up to about 6% on the grid, not really that large a player, and solar on the grid is under 1%, so neither has really replaced coal significantly when it dropped from about 2/3rds to 1/3rd.

NG is a nice fuel source in part because the gas turbines can be started up quickly and produce power without the much longer time needed for coal or nuclear to go from cold to producing.  So, it is useful for meeting surge power demands.

Coal and nuclear are better suited to the constant background demand.

If wind is really competitive with NG etc., do we need any special government treatment of wind power?  Or will it happen on its own because of inherent advantages?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2017, 06:57:54 AM »
Fracking is not a good thing.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2017, 07:42:10 AM »
Much of human activity is not a good thing environmentally.  We do those things because there are pros to go along with the cons.  It's a matter of balance.

I've watched corn fields here - which are not exactly good things - paved over to build Walmarts - not good things either.

Humanity is not going to "go back" and give up most of the pros just because there are environmental issues unless the latter is very clearly bad for many people (lead in gasoline for example).

One could argue that fracked NG that replaces coal might be on balance a "better thing".  One could also note the bird deaths associated with wind turbines and call that not a good thing.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2017, 08:07:18 AM »
I hate wind turbines.  They are butt ugly where they put them on top of hills, mountains and ridges.  I do not like the service roads that need to be built for them over otherwise pristine land.  Stick them off shore from Malibu, the Hamptons, Cape Cod and the like.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2017, 08:10:29 AM »
Fracking is not a good thing.
Agreed.  Look at the frequency of earthquakes in Oklahoma before and after they started putting in injection wells.  The difference is striking.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2017, 08:11:16 AM »
I hate wind turbines.  They are butt ugly where they put them on top of hills, mountains and ridges.  I do not like the service roads that need to be built for them over otherwise pristine land.  Stick them off shore from Malibu, the Hamptons, Cape Cod and the like.
Does a coal plant look better?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2017, 08:14:13 AM »
No, no, no...not coal.  I envision everyone powering their homes with bicycle powered generators which would help with the obesity epidemic in the US. 

On a serious note, there are safer nuclear power reactor designs such as liquid sodium cooled reactors.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2017, 08:23:11 AM »
I'm not against that.  I like the concept that France uses, numerous smaller nuclear plants, instead of massive one.

 

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