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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3514 on: September 10, 2020, 04:07:52 PM »
I copied this from The Hill regarding a Democratic Reolution:

The resolution states a goal for the U.S. to move to entirely carbon-free electricity by 2035, in addition to ensuring the global temperature does not increase another 1.5 degrees Celsius. However, the resolution does not offer specifics about how to reach those goals.

This is the sort of posturing that annoys me about Congress, passing some "resolution" with GOALS and zero enablement.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3515 on: September 11, 2020, 09:21:49 AM »
https://phys.org/news/2020-09-high-fidelity-earth-climate-history-current.html

For the first time, climate scientists have compiled a continuous, high-fidelity record of variations in Earth's climate extending 66 million years into the past. The record reveals four distinctive climate states, which the researchers dubbed Hothouse, Warmhouse, Coolhouse, and Icehouse.

High-fidelity record of Earth's climate history puts current changes in context
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3516 on: September 11, 2020, 10:53:52 AM »
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/08/25/the-greenland-ice-sheet-has-melted-past-the-point-of-no-return?fsrc=gp_en?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/dailychartthegreenlandicesheethasmeltedpastthepointofnoreturngraphicdetail&fbclid=IwAR3aSBKT0DNXEm8JB5Plxt6N_ywfcn3PnJVq8NimO7ZvmH9D4WWlxv5fcfQ

The ice loss, they think, is now so great that it has triggered an irreversible feedback loop: the sheet will keep melting, even if all climate-warming emissions are miraculously curtailed. This is bad news for coastal cities, given that Greenland boasts the largest ice sheet on the planet after Antarctica. Since 2000 its melting ice has contributed about [color=var(--ds-color-beijing)]a millimetre a year to rising sea levels[/color]. The loss of the entire ice sheet would raise them by more than seven metres, enough to reconfigure the majority of the world’s coastlines.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3517 on: September 11, 2020, 11:11:10 AM »
I'm at 1000 feet and live on a hill

being at 977 wouldn't be so bad
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3518 on: September 11, 2020, 11:15:04 AM »
I too am at a thousand feet, but obviously seven feet would be devastating for many coastal cities.  And guess where most people live?

However, that isn't going to happen "soon".  The ice sheet is enormous.  

We COULD have a one meter rise in sea level by 2100, maybe, according to some of the models.

The Arctic ice cap does almost nothing to impact sea level if it melts because it floats.  

One problem I do have with the "alarmists" is they seek the most dire outcome to project and when that doesn't happen a lot of folks go "Meh".

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« Reply #3519 on: September 11, 2020, 11:18:07 AM »
you'd think they might change their strategy

since it's failed miserably for decades
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3520 on: September 11, 2020, 12:04:54 PM »
Whoever "they" are, when I've talked to the Doomsters, without exception, they actually know NOTHING about the theory of climate change that is real, or if they do, I couldn't find it.  They call me a denier for trying to clarify a few issues for them.  My step son in law actually quoted Gore's ridiculous movie as an authority that claimed CO2 levels had NEVER been this high in the history of the planet.  I guffawed.

I suppose part of this is simply use of scare tactics to elicit action.  But you're correct, it isn't working very well.  Gore made this political, "us and them", and that was among his many disservices.

But then I also realize a more accurate and dispassionate presentation would not have made as many converts.  Now we're into politicized wackiness.

Let's have another meeting in the Maldives by thousands of people to issue more statements and promises and warnings.  Yeah.

I'm fed up with it.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3523 on: September 12, 2020, 05:07:57 AM »
I still wonder how folks can view this as a major problem today and not have any better proposed solutions than throw money at it.

That is why I view this whole "movement" as being political, it's a chance to spend a LOT of money on "stuff" and those monies can be used to pay off supporters, without really addressing the problem.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3524 on: September 12, 2020, 06:54:32 AM »
I still wonder how folks can view this as a major problem today and not have any better proposed solutions than throw money at it.

That is why I view this whole "movement" as being political, it's a chance to spend a LOT of money on "stuff" and those monies can be used to pay off supporters, without really addressing the problem.


Probably not going to get very far with the easy and free ideas

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« Reply #3525 on: September 12, 2020, 06:57:31 AM »
I'd settle for some actual practicable ideas that isn't just poppycock and vague throw money at it notions.

Cost:benefit and that sort of thing.

How much CO2 does this reduce versus baseline?  What does it cost?  How much will that reduce climate change?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3526 on: September 13, 2020, 08:14:27 AM »

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled

Think you are recycling?  Think again.  This is largely a scam.  We've known this for decades.  I toured a recycling center in Cincy when I started working on "renewable" plastic stuff.  Everyone there knew it was a scam.  This is just another example of how projects get started and folks don't want to HEAR THE TRUTH, much like gasohol and the notion Democrats can do anything about climate change.  We prefer delusion over truth when truth is uncomfortable, but it's still truth.

"I remember the first meeting where I actually told a city council that it was costing more to recycle than it was to dispose of the same material as garbage," she says, "and it was like heresy had been spoken in the room: You're lying. This is gold. We take the time to clean it, take the labels off, separate it and put it here. It's gold. This is valuable."
But it's not valuable, and it never has been. And what's more, the makers of plastic — the nation's largest oil and gas companies — have known this all along, even as they spent millions of dollars telling the American public the opposite.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3527 on: September 13, 2020, 08:23:57 AM »
most folks can't handle the truth

they are weak
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