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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3164 on: July 29, 2020, 12:08:35 PM »

Okay, so carbon taxes. 

After these carbon taxes have been implemented, what is an imprecise, ballpark guestimate on the time frame by which we can expect to see a halt to the rise of global temperatures, in accordance to the models? 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3165 on: July 29, 2020, 12:20:27 PM »
Okay, so carbon taxes.

After these carbon taxes have been implemented, what is an imprecise, ballpark guestimate on the time frame by which we can expect to see a halt to the rise of global temperatures, in accordance to the models?
Halting it would be quite the trick. The Paris Accords aimed to keep the temperature increase under 2 degrees Celcius by 2100. From what I've read a carbon tax would be a more aggressive form of carbon reduction than what is called for in those accords.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3166 on: July 29, 2020, 12:29:38 PM »

So your plan won't yield much in the way of results if executed? 

Great plan. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3167 on: July 29, 2020, 12:46:47 PM »
So your plan won't yield much in the way of results if executed?

Great plan.
This is why I don't spend lots of time perusing the internet to provide plans that people don't want.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3168 on: July 29, 2020, 12:52:33 PM »
If you are trying to convince a country to spend billions of dollars in order to stop the climate from changing (lol), then the first thing that you need to do is let us know how exactly you plan to do that. Right now you are just asking for money, and you can't tell us how you plan on using it in order to stop the climate from changing. That's called a scam.

Until that changes, the only discernible difference between you folks and panhandlers on the street is that panhandlers will periodically employ good manners in order to dig some money out of the pocket of a passerby.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3169 on: July 29, 2020, 01:17:32 PM »
If you are trying to convince a country to spend billions of dollars in order to stop the climate from changing (lol), then the first thing that you need to do is let us know how exactly you plan to do that. Right now you are just asking for money, and you can't tell us how you plan on using it in order to stop the climate from changing. That's called a scam.

Until that changes, the only discernible difference between you folks and panhandlers on the street is that panhandlers will periodically employ good manners in order to dig some money out of the pocket of a passerby.
The carbon tax is designed to make it more expensive to use carbon based fuels. The idea is to impose costs now instead off passing them to our children and grandchildren. What we do with the tax money is obviously important but secondary to the tax itself. Right now, we live in the payday loan reality, where we are passing the buck down the line in order to get by right now. Who benefits from each scam can be judged in a couple centuries, I suppose.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3170 on: July 29, 2020, 01:20:01 PM »

You plan is to pass $0.98 to the next generation instead of passing the full buck. 

You are going to have to do a little bit better than that. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3171 on: July 29, 2020, 01:35:12 PM »
You plan is to pass $0.98 to the next generation instead of passing the full buck.

You are going to have to do a little bit better than that.
Frankly I don't think it matters. While estimates seem to zero in on reductions of a third to fifty percent, I don't think it would happen even if we could completely halt it within forty years. It's hard and all we want is easy.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3172 on: July 29, 2020, 01:59:21 PM »
This country will be cancelled in 40 years. Or something.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3173 on: July 29, 2020, 02:04:34 PM »
The world's biggest nuclear fusion project has entered its five-year assembly phase.

After this is finished, the facility will be able to start generating the super-hot "plasma" required for fusion power.

The £18.2bn (€20bn; $23.5bn) facility has been under construction in Saint-Paul-lez-Durance, southern France.

Advocates say fusion could be a source of clean, unlimited power that would help tackle the climate crisis.

Iter is a collaboration between China, the European Union, India, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the US. All members share in the cost of construction.

Current nuclear energy relies on fission, where a heavy chemical element is split to produce lighter ones.

Nuclear fusion, on the other hand, works by combining two light elements to make a heavier one.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3174 on: July 29, 2020, 02:07:16 PM »
There is a finite amount of fossil fuels.

Once they are all burned up then the damage will be done, and we will quickly adapt to our new situation.

It might be a few degrees warmer, and the coastline might have receded inland a little bit. Pretty tame compared to the Earth's previous transformation from a ball of molten lava to a ball of water-ice.

In the meantime the Sun will continue to increase in luminosity at it's current rate, until it eventually bakes the Earth.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3175 on: July 29, 2020, 02:17:29 PM »

"A few dark clouds appear on the horizon and you guys just go all to pieces,don't you?"
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3176 on: July 29, 2020, 02:24:41 PM »
I obviously think "we" should consider the cost of a thing, and the benefit of a thing.  It is POSSIBLE the money should be spent on dealing with the problem instead of trying to reduce it's magnitude.  I don't think that is likely actually, but it's possible.

Until I see some sort of cost:benefit analysis that is reasonably positive, I am NOT ON BOARD with vague throwing money at the problem.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3177 on: July 29, 2020, 02:28:20 PM »
Economists like carbon taxes. I would agree they would probably be the simplest and most effective solution. But taxes aren't popular, especially taxes where the entire point is to make things more expensive.
I actually might be persuaded to like carbon taxes.  And I agree that could be the best approach overall, especially since fossil fuel right now is very cheap.
How much tax and how much would that reduce CO2 emissions over time?  Any estimates, guesses, ideas, notions ...?

And those decreases in CO2 emission, how much impact might that have on climate change in °C?

I just had this sort of discussion with my surgeon, pros can cons of surgery (schedule now 8/10).  We run our lives on this basis.  Hey, how about we go to this expensive restaurant?  Well, it's a lot of money, do you think it's that good?  Maybe we should dine in and save money.  

Or what about a round the world cruise?  Or should I pay for first class on that flight to Europe?  It's nicer up front.  Yeah, but a ticket is $6K.

 

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