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The complete lack of any coherent PLAN is very telling in my mind.  That's because the folks who have looked at the problem realize we are too late in addressing it.

Nuclear is off the table.  No one can present a serious way forward with costs and benefits.  And the MIT group clearly shows that even stretching goals are insufficient.

I realize many here are not technically trained and perhaps don't understand what the term PLAN means.  it is not some aspirational setting of goals someday out in the future.

Again, there are no shortage of plans. There is a shortage of political will. Of course one paragraph about the Paris Accords is not a complete plan. To think so would be silly. But to think there aren't thousands of ideas bouncing around is also silly. Declaring nuclear off the table is just an example of the issue. Nuclear isn't off the table, it just isn't popular politically. Like with covid, all plans are more or less making tradeoffs and living with uncertain outcomes. None of the choices are popular, and so we tend to default to nothing.

Go ahead, find the best most complete an rational plan anywhere on line.

Post it.  If it provides how things are to be accomplished in general, how much it should cost, and how much benefit it would provide according to the models, it's a plan in my mind.

The MIT study group says the Paris TARGETS are worth 0.1°C by 2050.  We can't measure that.

I think my criteria are very reasonable.  In order to do any kind of cost/benefit analysis, one needs an estimate of both.

Or, we can all just wave our hands and sing songs and expect politicians to DO something.

It's ridiculous.  And for folks out there to THINK governments are really going to tackle this issue is amazing to me, a complete lack of any rational analysis.

I liken it to the debt/deficit issue.  Politicians promise to DO something, without any coherent plans, and then of course if elected they do nothing.

All Cincy asked for was a rough outline of the steps needed, along with an educated guess of their costs and benefits. 

The fact that such a plan "has never and will never exist" is rather telling. You need to provide a helluva lot more information than that, just to acquire a small business loan. 

All Cincy asked for was a rough outline of the steps needed, along with an educated guess of their costs and benefits.

The fact that such a plan "has never and will never exist" is rather telling. You need to provide a helluva lot more information than that, just to acquire a small business loan.

You misunderstand. Plans exist, but no matter how precise, detailed, and exacting, he will poo poo them.

There is no tangible plan right now. Predictions to decimal degrees are foolish at best.

The climate is not predictable, for a number of reasons. I use models all the time, to try and predict flooding. That's the best I can do, is predict. The outcomes are always different, for a number of reasons.

China (and others) will not stop using Iran's cheap oil.

Coming up with a rough outline for a course of action should be step one. That should have already been ironed out, before they tried to sell it to the public. "Give us billions of dollars so that we can maybe come up with a plan down the road" is not a plan.