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ELA · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2019, 11:34:35 AM »

Sure, why not. Trying to balance eye test with resume is usually futile, but hey

Ohio State
LSU
Penn State
Alabama
Clemson
Auburn
Oregon
Utah
Georgia
Baylor
Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Florida
Michigan
Minnesota
Iowa
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Navy
Kansas State
Memphis
SMU
Central Florida
Wake Forest
Boise State

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2019, 12:27:11 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on November 05, 2019, 10:31:48 AM

i'll take a stab at it

my version:

osu
lsu
bama
clemson
ou
psu
oregon
utah
uga
baylor
florida
auburn
wisconsin
minnesota
michigan
notre dame
iowa
cincinnati
memphis
kansas st
wake
smu
navy
mizzou
ok state

what i think cfp committee will do:

lsu
osu
bama
clemson
psu
baylor
ou
uga
oregon
utah

Just curious, why the love for OU over PSU? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but that one seems odd.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2019, 12:44:27 PM »

ELA had OU at 11 of course. I THINK I'd take OU over PSU neutral site game by 4-5 points.

"We" likely don't know as much about these teams as we think we do.

Here is the AP poll from last year this date and one from 2017. Note Miami at 7th in 2017.

November 4, 2018 AP Football Poll

[th]Rank[/th] [th]Team (FPV)[/th] [th]Conf[/th] [th]Rec[/th] [th]Pts[/th] [th]3WT (3 Week AP Ranking Trend)[/th] [th]CP (Coaches Poll - 1950 to present)[/th] [th]CFP (College Football Playoff Committee Rankings - 2014 to present)[/th] [th]Last Week[/th]
1	< 1	Alabama (60)	SEC (Southeastern)	9-0	1500	0	*1 (63 FPV)	1	W 29-0 A #4 LSU
2	< 2	Clemson	ACC (Atlantic Coast)	9-0	1435	0	*2 (1 FPV)	2	W 77-16 H Louisville
3	< 3	Notre Dame	Ind (Independent)	9-0	1381	0	3	3	W 31-21 A Northwestern
4	< 5	Michigan	Big Ten	8-1	1304	+1	4	4	W 42-7 H #14 Penn State
5	< 6	Georgia	SEC (Southeastern)	8-1	1263	+2	5	5	W 34-17 A #11 Kentucky
6	< 7	Oklahoma	Big 12	8-1	1181	+2	6	6	W 51-46 A Texas Tech
7	< 12	West Virginia	Big 12	7-1	1065	+6	8	9	W 42-41 A #15 Texas
8	< 8	Ohio State	Big Ten	8-1	1025	+3	7	10	W 36-31 H Nebraska
9	< 4	LSU	SEC (Southeastern)	7-2	1020	-5	10	7	L 29-0 H #1 Alabama
10	< 10	Washington State	Pac-12	8-1	1010	+4	9	8	W 19-13 H California
11	< 9	UCF	AAC (American Athletic)	8-0	1001	-1	11	12	W 52-40 H Temple
12	< 11	Kentucky	SEC (Southeastern)	7-2	780	0	12	11	L 34-17 H #6 Georgia
13	< 22	Syracuse	ACC (Atlantic Coast)	7-2	624	+13	13	13	W 41-24 A Wake Forest
14	< 18	Utah State	MWC (Mountain West)	8-1	586	+12	16	NR	W 56-17 A Hawaii
15	< 15	Texas	Big 12	6-3	559	-9	19	19	L 42-41 H #12 West Virginia
16	< 20	Fresno State	MWC (Mountain West)	8-1	506	+10	17	23	W 48-3 A UNLV
17	< 24	Boston College	ACC (Atlantic Coast)	7-2	490	+9	14	17	W 31-21 A Virginia Tech
18	< 21	Mississippi State	SEC (Southeastern)	6-3	486	+8	15	16	W 45-3 H Louisiana Tech
19	< 13	Florida	SEC (Southeastern)	6-3	400	-10	21	15	L 38-17 H Missouri
20	< NR	Washington	Pac-12	7-3	342	-5	18	25	W 27-23 H Stanford
21	< 14	Penn State	Big Ten	6-3	278	-4	20	20	L 42-7 A #5 Michigan
22	< NR	NC State	ACC (Atlantic Coast)	6-2	264	0	22	14	W 47-28 H Florida State
23	< NR	Iowa State	Big 12	5-3	230	--	25	22	W 27-3 A Kansas
24	< NR	Michigan State	Big Ten	6-3	215	+2	RV	18	W 24-3 A Maryland
25	< NR	Cincinnati	AAC (American Athletic)	8-1	141	+1	23	NR	W 42-0 H Navy
RV	< 16	Utah	Pac-12	6-3	110	-3	24	NR	L 38-20 A Arizona State
RV	< NR	Auburn	SEC (Southeastern)	6-3	93	-2	RV	24	W 28-24 H #25 Texas A&M
RV	< NR	Wisconsin	Big Ten	6-3	37	-6	RV	NR	W 31-17 H Rutgers
RV	< NR	Army	Ind (Independent)	7-2	32	--	RV	NR	W 17-14 H Air Force
RV	< NR	UAB	C-USA (Conference USA)	8-1	31	--	RV	NR	W 52-3 H UTSA
RV	< NR	Northwestern	Big Ten	5-4	28	--	RV	NR	L 31-21 H #3 Notre Dame
RV	< 19	Iowa	Big Ten	6-3	17	-8	RV	21	L 38-36 A Purdue
RV	< NR	Boise State	MWC (Mountain West)	7-2	15	--	RV	NR	W 21-16 H BYU
RV	< NR	Purdue	Big Ten	5-4	14	--	RV	NR	W 38-36 H #19 Iowa
RV	< NR	Buffalo	MAC (Mid-American)	8-1	11	--	RV	NR	W 51-42 H Miami (OH)
RV	< NR	Oregon	Pac-12	6-3	9	-7	RV	NR	W 42-21 H UCLA
RV	< NR	San Diego State	MWC (Mountain West)	7-2	5	--	RV	NR	W 31-23 A New Mexico
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rolltidefan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2019, 02:40:48 PM »

Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 05, 2019, 12:27:11 PM

Just curious, why the love for OU over PSU? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but that one seems odd.

i just think they're a better team. i could be wrong.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2019, 03:35:22 PM »

A thing I always think about in some "perfect poll" (imagine one was entirely correct). The #2 team would beat the #1 team SOME of the time, perhaps 4 times in 10. The #10 team would beat the #1 team perhaps 2 times in 10. When this happens in real life, the polls react crazily, but reality COULD be that the underdog just came up roses that one time.

FearlessF · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2019, 03:50:00 PM »

crazy talk

CWSooner · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2019, 08:36:48 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 05, 2019, 11:14:02 AM

The BCS eliminated MoV for two reasons:
So as not to reward teams for piling points on hapless opponents, and
So as to prevent a team from compensating for a ridiculously weak schedule by blowing out their opponents

IMHO, the BCS's solution of completely eliminating MoV was a step too far. MoV DOES matter. However, I do agree with both of the motivations listed above so what I advocated was a modified MoV. Here is how I would calculate MoV if I ran a computer poll:

I would take the sum of the point differential at halftime, the point differential at the end of the third quarter, and the final point differential and award that as the MoV to the winning team (and MoD or Margin of Defeat) to the losing team with the following caveats:
In any game in which the winning team has a negative MoV, they are awarded a 1 point MoV and the losing team gets a 1 point MoD
In any game that goes to OT, the winning team is awarded a 1 point MoV and the losing team gets a 1 point MoD

I think this takes what the committee has typically referred to as "Game Control" into account and I think that matters. If you lead a team by at least three TD's at halftime, the end of the third quarter, and the end of the game, you dominated and you get a 63 point MoV but winning by more than that doesn't make it any better. The maximum MoV/MoD is 63/-63.

I'm confused by the bolded part.
It seems like the winning team would get rewarded more than if you just took the final point differential, whether it was a blowout or not.
Let's say Team A leads at halftime by 14, at the end of the 3rd quarter by 21, and at the end of the game by 28. You would take the sum of those and have a point differential of 63. And it would be impossible for the winning team to have a negative point differential.
Do you mean just the point differential for the 3rd quarter itself? And for the 4th quarter itself?

CWSooner · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2019, 08:39:50 PM »

Anybody really think Baylor is better than Oklahoma?

Kris60 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2019, 09:38:06 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on November 05, 2019, 08:39:50 PM

Anybody really think Baylor is better than Oklahoma?

Nope. But until they play Baylor absolutely deserves to be ranked ahead of them right now. Disappointed the CFP has BU #12. I knew they wouldn’t have them as high as I did but #12 surprises me.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2019, 09:43:17 PM »

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-rankings-ohio-state-opens-at-no-1-penn-state-in-top-four-of-cfp-top-25/

Ohio State (8-0)
LSU (8-0)
Alabama (8-0)
Penn State (8-0)
Clemson (9-0)
Georgia (7-1)
Oregon (8-1)
Utah (8-1)
Oklahoma (7-1)
Florida (7-2)
Auburn (7-2)
Baylor (8-0)
Wisconsin (6-2)

CWSooner · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2019, 10:05:37 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on November 05, 2019, 09:38:06 PM

Nope. But until they play Baylor absolutely deserves to be ranked ahead of them right now. Disappointed the CFP has BU #12. I knew they wouldn’t have them as high as I did but #12 surprises me.

What does "deserves" mean in this context? Baylor is a horribly bad call from losing to Texas Tech. Baylor--as always--schedules nothing but pastries in OOC games. Do those facts go into who deserves what?
I'll admit, I've got a thing about Baylor. I think that they should have received the Death Penalty for what was going on there under Art Briles AND for the repeated cover-ups by the highers-up. People should have gone to prison. They still haven't had their come-to-Jesus moment. If the earth were to open and swallow Baylor University (without the people of course), I would consider it an event of metaphysical justice.

In any event, the CFP is trying to select the best teams, not the most deserving, whatever that means.

Kris60 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2019, 10:15:18 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on November 05, 2019, 10:05:37 PM

What does "deserves" mean in this context? Baylor is a horribly bad call from losing to Texas Tech. Baylor--as always--schedules nothing but pastries in OOC games. Do those facts go into who deserves what?
I'll admit, I've got a thing about Baylor. I think that they should have received the Death Penalty for what was going on there under Art Briles AND for the repeated cover-ups by the highers-up. People should have gone to prison. They still haven't had their come-to-Jesus moment. If the earth were to open and swallow Baylor University (without the people of course), I would consider it an event of metaphysical justice.

In any event, the CFP is trying to select the best teams, not the most deserving, whatever that means.

Three wins over teams with winning records. Two of them being ranked wins. Handily beat the team that OU lost to. Undefeated. OU has one win over a team with a winning record and the CFP didn’t deem that team worthy of being ranked.

I fully expect OU to beat them in a couple of weeks. Until then, I have trouble justifying putting OU ahead of them.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2019, 11:01:42 PM »

Baylor being ranked where they are is the only thing preventing this poll from being a slave to W-L record. String of undefeateds followed by a string of 1-loss teams.........ick.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #27 on:** November 06, 2019, 12:25:42 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on November 05, 2019, 10:05:37 PM

What does "deserves" mean in this context? Baylor is a horribly bad call from losing to Texas Tech. Baylor--as always--schedules nothing but pastries in OOC games. Do those facts go into who deserves what?
I'll admit, I've got a thing about Baylor. I think that they should have received the Death Penalty for what was going on there under Art Briles AND for the repeated cover-ups by the highers-up. People should have gone to prison. They still haven't had their come-to-Jesus moment. If the earth were to open and swallow Baylor University (without the people of course), I would consider it an event of metaphysical justice.

In any event, the CFP is trying to select the best teams, not the most deserving, whatever that means.

In the context of these rankings not deserving too much attention or study?

Also, that last part is kinda untrue and also garbage to a degree. We select teams by what they accomplish given what's in front of them. We can argue Baylor hasn't accomplished, but the "best team" thing is a slippery slope.

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