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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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847badgerfan

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #238 on: April 01, 2020, 05:55:49 PM »
Kelly Baraka? Derrick Green?

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #239 on: April 01, 2020, 06:05:13 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 05:55:49 PM
Kelly Baraka? Derrick Green?

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Sorry man.
Baraka would’ve been interesting. I really think he had the talent to be special. Baraka broke the state record in the 100m dash that was held by Wheatley and Charles Rogers. He was a RARE athlete. Unfortunately he couldn’t keep himself out of trouble and got kicked out of school and wound up transferring to small ball and got kicked out of their as well. People can have all the talent in the world. But you can’t fix stupid.

Derrick Green wound up being a guy that just didn’t have the talent. He showed up to Michigan fat and slow and transferred to TCU and looked mediocre there as well. Sometimes recruiting sites just miss terribly. Looking back on it, maybe we should’ve all seen it. He was a good prospect, just not a great one. The 5* top 10ish type of rankings should be reserved for guys that are athletic freaks. Like Adrian Peterson’s or Reggie Bush or Leonard Fournette. Derrick Green was rated like that by the recruit sites, but in reality he never showed or possessed that kind of ability.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #240 on: April 01, 2020, 06:41:51 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
 Wheatley was just a freakish athlete though. Unlike any RB that has ever played at Michigan.

And honestly he gets forgotten way too often in the annals of CFB history. He is right up there with Bo Jackson or any athletic freak that’s ever played RB in CFB. This dude was a 6’1 and 235 pound jacked ball of muscle that set the state record in HS for the 100m dash. He was a bonafide track star whose speed translated to the football field and he was just so big and strong and no one that size should be able to run that fast.

Bo made NFLers look like kids.  Wheatley never did that.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #241 on: April 01, 2020, 06:55:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2020, 05:16:05 PM

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Take the 3 categories I mentioned initially:
Single season - sure, it's Barry Sanders, '88
Speed/power/40 time/juke moves - maybe Sanders again.  Maybe Herschel.  Maybe Peterson.  Maybe Bo.
Stats-only, career - maybe Jonathan Taylor, maybe Ricky Williams, maybe Ron Dayne.
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The endless bickering occurs when we mix those 3 categories up and each pick one.  Specifics help. 
I like this. I was having a discussion about something similar on another board. Basically, was Alando Tucker or Frank Kaminsky the best Badger. Frank had the best season and probably the third best between them. But Tucker had four pretty good to very good seasons (one could make a case he averaged 19 a game in his worst season). 

Ron Dayne is interesting because he's such a "college player." The downside of that means, a smattering of big-game duds and more than a few 400 yards against Hawaii games. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #242 on: April 01, 2020, 06:55:58 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
That I've seen:

1. Jonathon Tayler
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Ron Dayne
4. Montee Ball
5. Brent Moss
6. Brian Calhoun
7. Terrell Fletcher
8. John Clay
9. Anthony Davis
10. James White
I'm going to sub Corey Clement in here somewhere. Probably have to slip him in for Calhoun, who only had one season in Madison. So put Corey in at #10 and move the rest up. The top 5 is set in stone for me. The rest I could be convinced otherwise, including leaving Calhoun in at the expense of someone else.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #243 on: April 01, 2020, 06:57:00 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 06:55:21 PM
I like this. I was having a discussion about something similar on another board. Basically, was Alando Tucker or Frank Kaminsky the best Badger. Frank had the best season and probably the third best between them. But Tucker had four pretty good to very good seasons (one could make a case he averaged 19 a game in his worst season).

Ron Dayne is interesting because he's such a "college player." The downside of that means, a smattering of big-game duds and more than a few 400 yards against Hawaii games.
Never did well against Michigan, and that bowl game against Georgia.. ugh.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #244 on: April 01, 2020, 07:19:54 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2020, 06:41:51 PM
Bo made NFLers look like kids.  Wheatley never did that.
Wheatley had a piss poor NFL career. Bo had a much better one. There’s no question about that. I thought this was a college discussion only though. 

If we’re talking college only- Wheatley made a lot of future NFL players look like kids. He was a man amongst boys in college. He was a freak show in college. He had a rep as lazy malcontent with injury issues and it caused him to slip in the draft, but he was special in college. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #245 on: April 01, 2020, 07:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Wheatley had a piss poor NFL career. Bo had a much better one. There’s no question about that. I thought this was a college discussion only though.

If we’re talking college only- Wheatley made a lot of future NFL players look like kids. He was a man amongst boys in college. He was a freak show in college. He had a rep as lazy malcontent with injury issues and it caused him to slip in the draft, but he was special in college.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #246 on: April 01, 2020, 07:49:08 PM »
Hey, I'm Mr. College-only, but I was explaining why Wheatley isn't as highly-thought of as Jackson.  It's because people are limited and can't separate college & pro performance.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #247 on: April 01, 2020, 08:21:48 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
I'm going to sub Corey Clement in here somewhere. Probably have to slip him in for Calhoun, who only had one season in Madison. So put Corey in at #10 and move the rest up. The top 5 is set in stone for me. The rest I could be convinced otherwise, including leaving Calhoun in at the expense of someone else.
If career matters, I'd move up White. Here's his stats:
1,052
713
809
1,444, he was stupendous that year. 

I don't know what I'd do with Clement. Only 67 carries as a freshman. The 949 as a No. 2 in his sophomore year was very good, even if he faded down the stretch. The 1,375 his last year looks good, but he was on the inefficient side. Just a hammer. I think Calhoun's single season was considerably better than Clement's best, but it's a matter of how one values that sophomore season. He was an absurdly good mop-up guy/third option as a freshman.

I might have a slight bias against guys whose last years were considerably less effective than the previous ones. Feeds into me not being as high on Clement and Davis. Ball kinda took a step back, but 130 is a lot of yards a game. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #248 on: April 01, 2020, 11:59:58 PM »
I also never saw Bo in college
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #249 on: April 02, 2020, 08:23:42 AM »
Well I forget the numbers but he made all pro in the NFL and all star in the Majors.That has to count for something
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #250 on: April 02, 2020, 08:50:40 AM »
Quote from: ELA on April 01, 2020, 11:59:58 PM
I also never saw Bo in college

The only "knock" on Bo in college (and this could be from opponents) was that he would sub out and didn't want to carry the ball that often (which was smart if he did that in reality).  He was indeed a rare athlete obviously.

I chatted with Brian Jordan some about this, Jordan played both MLB and NFL (and is still in great shape).  He opined Bo was the best he'd ever seen.
Jordan also said the hardest hit he ever took was from Jerry Rice, he said he got up looking around for which OL had decked him.
 He said Rice played hard every play.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #251 on: April 02, 2020, 09:09:21 AM »
https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/georgia/best-georgia-running-backs/

10.  D'Andre Swift - I might have him higher?
9.  Lars Tate - good but not elite IMHO
8.  Knowshon Moreno
7.  Charlie Trippi - for his day, he was elite and then some
6.  Frank Sinkwich - he did win that trophy thing
5.  Garrison Hearst
4.  Sony Michel - he was "second string" most of his career (!)
3.  Todd Gurley
2.  Nick Chubb
1.  ???

Such "lists" are opinions obviously and I guess that one is as good as many.  I'd move Swift up to 7 I think.  
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