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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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Mdot21

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #252 on: April 02, 2020, 11:07:50 AM »
That I've seen:

1. Jonathon Tayler
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Ron Dayne
I 100% agree with this top 3. 

Jonathan Taylor is special. He is hands down the best RB that I’ve ever seen come out of Wisconsin and he should be a star in the NFL. He is as special a RB that’s ever come out of the Big Ten, he’s right up there with with Barkley and Zeke. He’s in that same class imo. 

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #253 on: April 02, 2020, 11:31:30 AM »
Georgia RBs are what I cite when the topic of returning starters comes up.  Just because someone left doesn't automatically mean that position will be less productive, it just becomes an unknown. 
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For Florida (career):
1. Emmitt
2. Errict Rhett - not many RBs had 150 career catches, pre-2000
3. Fred Taylor
4. Tony Green
5. Neal Anderson
6. Ernest Graham
7. Jeff Demps
8. Chris Rainey
9. Elijah Williams
10. Jimmy DuBose
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Single-Season:
1. 89 Emmitt - 1616 yds, 14 TD (I'm including bowl stats for all these)
2. 97 Taylor - 1526 yds, 10 TD
3. 75 DuBose - 1402 yds, 8 TD (6.8 ypc)
4. 87 Emmitt - 1469 yds, 7 TD
5. 93 Rhett - 1394 yds, 8 TD
6. 04 Fason - 1361, 9 TD
7. 12 Gillislee - 1200, 12 TD
8. 91 Rhett - 1172, 10 TD
9. 02 Graham - 1205, 13 TD
10. 85 Anderson - 1034, 11 TD
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Single Game:
I know Emmitt ran for 300+ vs New Mexico (in a close win), but what Fred Taylor did to FSU in 1997 was epic.  They had the #2 run defense...not of 1997, but of the past 50 years!  And he pops off for 160 yds and 4 TDs.  It was sick.
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Emmitt has ZERO passing game to play off of.  It was all him, all the time.  If you watch the 89 QB play, it's embarrassing.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #254 on: April 02, 2020, 11:31:54 AM »
career numbers just don't do it for me

many players get injured - Gale Sayers, Billy Sims - sorry NFL reference

some simply retire - Barry Sanders - sorry NFL

doesn't mean if they were "lucky" with injuries or "lucky" with the NFL organization(s) they played for they wouldn't have put up much better career numbers than others

I have VERY little doubt, that if Barry Sanders started for 4 years in college, he'd have incredible numbers.  Better than Ron Dayne.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #255 on: April 02, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
MSU/UM that I've seen, which basically goes back to 1990 (so no Lorenzo White or Jamie MOrris)

  • T.J. Duckett
  • Javon Ringer
  • Le'Veon Bell
  • Sedrick Irvin
  • Jeremy Langford
  • Edwin Baker
  • Jehuu Caulcrick
  • L.J. Scott
  • Tico Duckett
  • DeAndra Cobb

  • Tyrone Wheatley
  • Tim Biakabatuka
  • Anthony Thomas
  • Chris Perry
  • Mike Hart
  • Chris Howard
  • Karan Higdon
  • Fitzgerald Toussaint
  • Ricky Powers
  • Clarence Williams

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #256 on: April 02, 2020, 11:55:47 AM »
career numbers just don't do it for me

many players get injured - Gale Sayers, Billy Sims - sorry NFL reference

some simply retire - Barry Sanders - sorry NFL

doesn't mean if they were "lucky" with injuries or "lucky" with the NFL organization(s) they played for they wouldn't have put up much better career numbers than others

I have VERY little doubt, that if Barry Sanders started for 4 years in college, he'd have incredible numbers.  Better than Ron Dayne.
There's nothing wrong with that idea, but the key is you're focusing on what they could have done, while I tend to focus on what actually happened.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #257 on: April 02, 2020, 11:59:48 AM »
It would be good if the NCAA would go back and count bowl games for guys like Dayne.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #258 on: April 02, 2020, 12:12:09 PM »
It would be good if the NCAA would go back and count bowl games for guys like Dayne.
The fact that they haven't is one of the more curious stat anomalies ever.  It wouldn't be even a little bit hard

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #259 on: April 02, 2020, 12:15:50 PM »
The fact that they haven't is one of the more curious stat anomalies ever.  It wouldn't be even a little bit hard
I hear they are busy trying to find a way to make Micah Potter ineligible for next year.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #260 on: April 02, 2020, 12:35:16 PM »
MSU/UM that I've seen, which basically goes back to 1990 (so no Lorenzo White or Jamie MOrris)

  • Javon Ringer

     9.Ricky Powers

Those were two guys I hope landed in C-Bus.I know with Powers(Akron) he came out the same year as Robert Smith(Cleveland) so that wasn't going to happen.There was some reason about Ringer,I think it was some Buckeyes got dinged on grades and Ringer had dyslexia or some disability.My brother saw him play down in Dayton and he was real good and reportedly a good kid
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #261 on: April 02, 2020, 01:14:44 PM »
Those were two guys I hope landed in C-Bus.I know with Powers(Akron) he came out the same year as Robert Smith(Cleveland) so that wasn't going to happen.There was some reason about Ringer,I think it was some Buckeyes got dinged on grades and Ringer had dyslexia or some disability.My brother saw him play down in Dayton and he was real good and reportedly a good kid
He tore his ACL and missed the entire camp circuit and his senior year IIRC.  It was viewed as a UM-OSU battle until then

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #262 on: April 02, 2020, 05:40:29 PM »
There's nothing wrong with that idea, but the key is you're focusing on what they could have done, while I tend to focus on what actually happened.
well, obviously, I tend to focus on what actually happened in one game or one season or one highlight reel run

those fellas "could" have had big career numbers - it's possible

some of the fellas that had big career numbers had the chance at a single game or single season or single highlight reel - actually they had far more opportunities and failed to get it done.  Apparently, it wasn't possible for them.

I'll take Billy Sims and Barry Sanders
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #263 on: April 02, 2020, 07:05:35 PM »
Part of valuing volume is that the players earned their way onto the field early in their careers.  If Barry Sanders was so good, why was he a backup for 2 years?  Yes, we know why, but if he was THAT good, he'd start ahead of the established star.  We can fault coaching or traditional wisdom or whatever, but would Peterson have backed up Thurman Thomas?  Would Herschel?  Would Bo?  
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #264 on: April 02, 2020, 07:14:20 PM »
That's tough to say 'Fro.

Melvin Gordon backed up Montee Ball. Then he backed up James White.

Imagine what he could have looked like had he played 3 years as the main man. Hell, he ran for over 1600 yards as White's backup, and over 600 as TB #3. When it was finally his turn as #1, he went for 2600 yards.

He'd have far more than Taylor in career yards had he started for his 3 years. FAR more.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #265 on: April 02, 2020, 07:49:16 PM »
Well that's what the simple math suggests, but we can't say that.  More carries = more chances to get hurt, then you're back to Fearless' point.  Plus, if Gordon has 3 years of high carries, he loses the season with 10 ypc...

It's a million different little things out of their control.  
A huge inefficiency in football is a HC sticking with a good player, despite having a better one as a backup.  Thomas should have been backing up Sanders at OKST.  Ball should've been backing up Gordon.  And if that's a leap too far, Gordon should have at least gotten way more carries when he was 3rd-string.  If you have a guy averaging 10 ypc, it's irresponsible to not get him more carries.  But then you have to consider knowledge of the offense and/or pass-blocking, etc.  
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It's just fun to think about.
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