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Temp430

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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2017, 11:01:53 AM »
Brady Hoke for Michigan.  
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2017, 12:40:30 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 03, 2017, 11:01:53 AM
Brady Hoke for Michigan.  
I would have thought RichRod, wo be honest. He tried to turn Michigan into a Big 12 team.
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2017, 12:48:52 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 03, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
I would have thought RichRod, wo be honest. He tried to turn Michigan into a Big 12 team.
The team at least improved under RichRod.  Hoke got worse every year, while bringing in better talent
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2017, 01:05:52 PM »
Without at doubt, Tim Beckman

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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2017, 01:24:10 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 03, 2017, 10:16:33 AM
Who's the worst coach at each Big Ten school since 1978? (modern era)
For Ohio State this could be an interesting question.  Coaches:
  • 1978:  I'm not sure if "since 1978" is inclusive of 1978 or not, if it is, Woody was coach in 1978
  • 1979-1986:  Earl Bruce
  • 1987-2000:  John Cooper
  • 2001-2010:  Jim Tressel
  • 2011:  Luke Fickell (note that he was technically an interim HC)
  • 2012-present:  Urban Meyer
If we include interim coaches then it is obviously Luke Fickell.  

If not, then my next question is whether Woody is to be judged based on his entire body of work (1951-1978) or only on the portion within this discussion.  Looking only at 1978 it is probably Woody.  

If Fickell is ineligible and Woody is to be judged based on his entire body of work then it obviously comes down to John Cooper or Earl Bruce.  Earl Bruce was clearly better with:
  • A better win% (.755 compared to .715 for Cooper.  Woody was .761, Tressel was .810, and Urban is .924)
  • A better conference win% (.770 compared to .692 for Cooper.  Woody was .793, Tressel was .808, and Urban is .930)
  • A better bowl/postseason record (5-3 compared to 3-8 for Cooper.  Woody was 5-6, Tressel was 5-4, and Urban is 4-2)
  • More conference Championships (and in less time) (4 in 9 years vs 3 in 10 years for Cooper.  Woody had 13 in 28 years, Tressel had 6 in 10 years, and Urban has 1 in 5 years but they are harder to get now due to a CCG and no ties)
  • Neither Bruce nor Cooper had a NC.  Woody is credited with five while Tressel and Urban claim one each (at Ohio State).  
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2017, 01:52:40 PM »
Agreed, for all those reasons plus the most important one...

Bruce: 5-4

Cooper: 2-10-1
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2017, 02:24:39 PM »
Most teams in the "pretty good" range play about 4-5 "real" contested games a year, right?  Many of us look at the schedule and see 7 or 8 near certain wins preseason (unless the wheels fall off of course).  So, let's say a team is at least pretty good, and manages to win those 7 games and then goes 2-3 in the 5 contested games.  So, you're 9-3, and perhaps no better than "pretty good".  On occasional years, the same teams is 3-2 or even 4-1 with a break, and they end up 11-1 looking like world beaters but may not have beaten anyone really (they tend to get bulldozed in a bowl game).

Putting aside recruiting, how many games a year will a good coach win that a mediocre coach would lose?  Two?

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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2017, 02:27:13 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 03, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
The team at least improved under RichRod.  Hoke got worse every year, while bringing in better talent
have to agree here. Rodriguez blew the system up and tried to rebuild it and the real reason 3-9 happened is because he just didn't have a QB that first year. Every year his teams improved though. What did him in was his complete lack of a defense. 

Hoke had that great first year but after that it was complete regression. The team went backwards, players regressed instead of developed. Rodriguez actually brought in better offensive talent. And he developed that talent. Most of Hoke's offensive recruits just weren't that good. Damn near all Hoke's hot-shot offensive line recruits were busts. 5* Shane Morris was a disaster. 5* Derrick Green was just bad at football. 

And Hoke took what I think is the best QB talent they had since Henson in Devin Gardner and just destroyed him. He went from showing flashes and having real promise to just shattered in half. Hoke was a damn clown. Rodriguez can actually coach football. 
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2017, 04:04:56 PM »
Iowa has had only 2 head coaches since 1979, Hayden Fry and Kirk Ferentz. 

So I guess the obvious answer for Iowa is the guy who was head coach in 1978, Bob Cummings, who was fired after the 1978 season.

If forced to choose between Fry and Ferentz, Ferentz will always be behind Fry in the hearts of Iowa fans, even though their overall records are similar.   Fry is treated pretty much like a god by Iowa fans.
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2017, 04:14:15 PM »
We can count Bob Cummings. 

Losing record all five seasons? Yeah, that's not ideal. 
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2017, 04:16:03 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 03, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
Iowa has had only 2 head coaches since 1979, Hayden Fry and Kirk Ferentz.

So I guess the obvious answer for Iowa is the guy who was head coach in 1978, Bob Cummings, who was fired after the 1978 season.

If forced to choose between Fry and Ferentz, Ferentz will always be behind Fry in the hearts of Iowa fans, even though their overall records are similar.   Fry is treated pretty much like a god by Iowa fans.
Fry was 15-2-1 against Wisconsin. 12-8 against Minnie. 16-4 against ISU.

For Kirk, it's 7-8, 11-6 and 9-9, respectively.
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2017, 04:28:25 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 03, 2017, 04:16:03 PM
Fry was 15-2-1 against Wisconsin. 12-8 against Minnie. 16-4 against ISU.

For Kirk, it's 7-8, 11-6 and 9-9, respectively.
As I see that:
  • vs Wisconsin:  This strikes me as a very unfair comparison.  Wisconsin pre-1993 wasn't very good and that is the Wisconsin that Fry was mostly coaching against.  
  • vs Minnesota:  Fry is marginally better.  
  • vs ISU:  This has absolutely been Ferentz' biggest problem.  What really makes it bad is that at least as an outsider it feels like a LOT of those losses have been head-scratching losses to bad teams
Iowa's last nine losses to ISU:
  • 2014:  Finished 7-6 with a loss to an ISU team that went 2-10
  • 2012:  Finished 4-8 with a loss to an ISU team that went 6-7
  • 2011:  Finished 7-6 with a loss to an ISU team that went 6-7
  • 2007:  Finished 6-6 with a loss to an ISU team that went 3-9
  • 2005:  Finished 7-5 with a loss to an ISU team that went 7-5
  • 2002:  Finished 11-2 with a loss to an ISU team that went 7-7
  • 2001:  Finished 7-5 with a loss to an ISU team that went 7-5
  • 2000:  Finished 3-9 with a loss to an ISU team that went 9-3
  • 1999:  Finished 1-10 with a loss to an ISU team that went 4-7
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2017, 05:59:03 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 03, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
 Hoke was a damn clown.
This may qualify as legal libel against actual clowns. 
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Re: The Hot Seats
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2017, 10:51:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 03, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
For UW it's Don Morton, hands down.
His name always makes me think of a local Milwaukee radio talk show host, who always cautions every team and every school, that you should never assume that it can't get any worse, it can, and he always brings up Don Morton.  I know Jim Hiles was really a one year interim guy following the death of McClain, but they were heading in a generally downward direction following McClain's final season.  

Thus, I must impose upon this thread Nebraska's worst coach (pretending for a moment that I am eligible to submit a XII coach).   Billy Callahan.    Just when you thought you were fixing Nebraska football by canning Solich,  you bring us,   Billy C his WCO, and no clue attitude.  
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