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betarhoalphadelta

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So I got a sous vide apparatus for Christmas. I have not had the chance to try it yet, but probably next (not this) weekend.

Was thinking of doing double-cut bone-in pork chops. Anyone have any advice on how long to cook and at what temp? I'll probably serve it with an apple/jalapeno reduction sauce and grilled sweet potato planks.
So first thing is food safety. You want to hold the pork (all the way to the center) long enough to ensure you've killed all pathogens at whatever your cooking temp. This is a function of cooking temp, starting temp of the meat, and thickness of the meat.

You can find a table here that will tell you minimum times for each temp and thickness, assuming you start at 40F: https://www.douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide.html#Table_5.1

The bigger question is what temp you *want* to serve at. For pork I'd prefer something like 140. I wouldn't go into the 129-130 range as you might use for a med rare steak, as I think it will just not be particularly palatable for pork. 140 is still juicy with a slight pink hue, but as long as you follow the tables linked above, it will be safe. And then I recommend a fast hard sear out of the bag, although sometimes people do use the sauce *instead* of a searing step rather than do both. Up to you.

Finally, it's a question of tenderness. The longer you leave meat in the sous vide, the more it will break down and become tender. I've found things like tri tip can become incredibly tender at 131 for 12 hours. I do baby back ribs at 145 for 24 hours, and they're almost TOO tender (falling off the bone despite being medium doneness). I think if you like the texture of pork chops as-is, just go to the minimum time in the table. But if--like me--you find pork chops to sometimes be tough, you can extend the bath time to whatever you'd like. The longer you go, the more tender it'll be. 


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Don't know anything about the golfing, but you should definitely check out Leroy and Lewis if you get the chance.  Their brisket is excellent as well, but those smoked beef cheeks are The Truth.

I will say however, they're so rich that a little goes a long way.  If I'd normally polish off 1/3-1/2 lb of brisket, I might only eat 1/4 lb or less of the cheeks.  But they're so tasty.

forwarded the Leroy and Lewis to my brother.... he seemed a bit put off that I might want to try other BBQ than his.

He smoked a 13lb brisket, a couple racks of ribs, and some sausage a couple weeks ago when I was there.  I have to admit he does a great job for a Yankee transplant.
He's going to try some cheeks on my next trip.

Since his wife and kids don't enjoy BBQ, he looks forward to smoking meat when I visit.
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Made some bean soup that turned out pretty well in the InstaPot.  

Pound of pinto beans
1 onion
6 cloves garlic
Salt and pepper
3 pounds pork shoulder, cut in 2 inch pieces
Enough water to cover

Cook for one hour, release pressure, and add

1 pound smoked sausage
1 Tbsp fish sauce
1 tsp thyme

Cook for 3 minutes and release pressure.  Salt and pepper to taste

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forwarded the Leroy and Lewis to my brother.... he seemed a bit put off that I might want to try other BBQ than his.

He smoked a 13lb brisket, a couple racks of ribs, and some sausage a couple weeks ago when I was there.  I have to admit he does a great job for a Yankee transplant.
He's going to try some cheeks on my next trip.

Since his wife and kids don't enjoy BBQ, he looks forward to smoking meat when I visit.
WTH?  That ain't right.  My 12yo daughter gets angry if I don't BBQ ribs for her at least once every couple of months. 

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I agree.  My daughters were ordering med rare sirloins when they were 7 or 8 years old.

as you always say, "Salad is what food eats"
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So I got a sous vide apparatus for Christmas. I have not had the chance to try it yet, but probably next (not this) weekend.

Was thinking of doing double-cut bone-in pork chops. Anyone have any advice on how long to cook and at what temp? I'll probably serve it with an apple/jalapeno reduction sauce and grilled sweet potato planks.
My wheelhouse Badger.  I typically set the temp at a setting 10 to 15 degrees below where I want the meat to finish after searing/resting.

Ex.  Beef, I run it at 124 to 126 degrees, at least an hour,  no more than two.  Run the risk of mushy meat if you run it too long.  I don't know the magic moment when that happens but it does. That way I pull it, dry it, season, and sear a couple minutes a side.

Pork: I like 135 to 140 for an hour or more.
Chicken. I do 152 for an hour or more.

You can get away with less than hour on stuff, and I'd be careful going to long with fish, beyond an hour.


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Ex.  Beef, I run it at 124 to 126 degrees, at least an hour,  no more than two.  Run the risk of mushy meat if you run it too long.  I don't know the magic moment when that happens but it does. That way I pull it, dry it, season, and sear a couple minutes a side.

You can get away with less than hour on stuff, and I'd be careful going to long with fish, beyond an hour.
Depends on the cut. Tough cuts of meat won't even be close to tender in an hour or so, much less mush. With something like a filet, yeah... You can go WAY too far. 

I still worry about going too short of a time for safety reasons, though. You have to make sure it's long enough to get the meat cooked through to the center, and then to hold the center long enough to pasteurize at whatever temp you've chosen. 

But it's good advice to keep it a little below your target serving temp to allow for the sear (assuming you're searing--as mentioned if Badge is planning to sauce, sometimes you don't need a sear--although I'd do it anyway personally). The sear might add a few extra degrees, and the last thing you want to do is end up having it perfect before the sear, but overcooked afterwards.

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Fellas,

Thank you for the advice. You can bet I will put it to use.
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Poll question: What's your favorite umami ingredient?

- Typically, fish sauce is my go to. Also under consideration
- Worcestershire - sometimes I like it but it's pretty potent
- Soy Sauce - Nothing wrong with it but maybe because I'm cheap and use Kroger brand it is kind of all salt no other flavor
- Marmite - I have a hard time finding it
- Anchovies - I've used them a few times with great success.  Just be judicious because one time I had a pretty fishy meat loaf
- MSG - Haven't used it but seems silly not to
- Others I'm missing?

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- Others I'm missing?
Mushrooms. Although it doesn't seem to fit your original list which was more about flavor additives / sauces rather than basic components of a dish. 

But I've had a number of recipes that seemed to be lacking "something" and adding in mushroom really kicked it up. 

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Mushrooms. Although it doesn't seem to fit your original list which was more about flavor additives / sauces rather than basic components of a dish.

But I've had a number of recipes that seemed to be lacking "something" and adding in mushroom really kicked it up.
You are right I did forget mushrooms.  I have added them in a couple dishes, but probably not using them to their full capacity.  Also no chance my kids would eat any food if they knew mushrooms were in it, further complicating the issue.  Also also, any time I have mushrooms I love to roast and eat them instead of chopping them up.

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You are right I did forget mushrooms.  I have added them in a couple dishes, but probably not using them to their full capacity.  Also no chance my kids would eat any food if they knew mushrooms were in it, further complicating the issue.  Also also, any time I have mushrooms I love to roast and eat them instead of chopping them up.
Well, the below wouldn't help with your kids much, but I've got a few recipes...

The first is stolen from Giada: https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/giada-de-laurentiis/grilled-portobello-mushrooms-with-tomatoes-and-fresh-mozzarella-recipe-1942780

I like it as a main dish itself when we're trying to eat light, but I also find (and your kids might like) using the filling/topping with romaine lettuce as a lettuce wrap instead of over portobello as an appetizer or side dish.

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The second was adapted from the following paleo recipe, to add mushrooms and other changes because I'm not eating Paleo: https://paleogrubs.com/sausage-and-cauliflower-casserole-recipe

Ingredients

  • 1 head of cauliflower, cut into florets
  • 1 tbsp extra virgin olive oil
  • 1 lb. Italian sausage, ½ casings removed, ½ links
  • 1 medium yellow onion, diced
  • 5 cloves garlic, minced
  • 4 sprigs thyme
  • 1 28-oz. can diced tomatoes, drained
  • 8 oz. sliced white mushrooms
  • 2 tbsp fresh parsley, chopped
  • Salt and pepper, to taste
  • Mozzarella cheese, to taste

Instructions

  • Bring a pot of water to boil. Add the cauliflower florets to the pot and boil for 3 minutes. Drain and rinse the florets with cold water. Set aside.
  • Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Heat the olive oil in a large skillet over medium-high heat. Add the sausage and cook for 8-10 minutes until browned, using a spoon to break into small pieces. Remove the sausage and set aside, slicing the browned links into ½” slices.
  • Stir in the onion, garlic, and thyme. Sauté for 5-7 minutes, stirring regularly.
  • Add the tomatoes and mushrooms to the pan and cook for 5 minutes more.
  • Stir in the reserved sausage, add salt and pepper to taste.
  • Remove the skillet from heat and carefully stir in the cauliflower. Transfer the mixture to a 9x13-inch baking dish. Sprinkle with mozzarella. Bake for 25 minutes. Garnish with parsley to serve.


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The third is a stuffed mushroom cap recipe. This is much more wide open to interpretation, so you can make this about a thousand different ways. But here's my basic:

  • Start with white large button mushroom, with stems removed, cleaned and patted dry.
  • Mix together cream cheese cheddar cheese, minced garlic, and minced hot pepper (I usually use jalapeno, seeds and membrane scraped out). As with everything, a little salt & pepper goes in. Ratios are entirely to taste, but the cream cheese is the "base", so it will be the majority
  • Stuff the mushroom caps with the mixture to *very* slightly overflowing, and place cap side down / cheese side up on a foil-lined baking sheet.
  • Bake at 350 for 30-45 minutes until it looks like the mushrooms themselves are softened and the cheese fully melted and starting to brown nicely.
  • Allow to cool just until edible, and enjoy, but they are best served fresh and steaming hot.


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Again, if your kids won't eat mushrooms, these are recipes where it's impossible to hide them. How old are they?

The sausage cauliflower bake is something where the mushrooms aren't that prominent, so if they like all the other flavors in that dish it might be an introduction. And the stuffed mushroom caps are typically an appetizer, so if you're entertaining it might be the type of thing where you get them to try one just to see if they like it, but you're not spoiling dinner by making something they won't eat for the main course.

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Mm I might try that stuffed mushroom recipe asap.  My kids are 4,7, and 13.  It's really the 7 year old who is most obnoxious about food, but she influences the 4 year old with her obstinate ways.  There is no way she would eat a stuffed mushroom, but I would and that's really all that counts.  

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Mm I might try that stuffed mushroom recipe asap.  My kids are 4,7, and 13.  It's really the 7 year old who is most obnoxious about food, but she influences the 4 year old with her obstinate ways.  There is no way she would eat a stuffed mushroom, but I would and that's really all that counts. 
Got it. Mine are 12, 10, and 7. The 10 yo is the one with autism and although we've made some MAJOR inroads with him regarding food over the last 1-2 years, I'm pretty sure he'd throw a mushroom across the room. I think the 7 yo would be "I don't like this" so I've never tried. I probably wouldn't even attempt with a 4 yo. 

The 12 yo, when he was about 10, tried the stuffed mushrooms when I made them as an appetizer for Thanksgiving, and loved them. But he's the type that tries to impress people by being adventurous because he always wants to be associated with the adults. So maybe you can start making inroads with your 13 yo and he'll drag the other kids along with him eventually...

But we only have the kids 40% of the time, so it leaves a lot of other times when we can make good food for ourselves ;-) 

 

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