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Topic: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques

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utee94

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I love those, but they are strangely hard to source up here.  I don't really know why.
Check Costco and Sam's they often have them cryopacked in the back, even if they're not out in the coolers.  Or any place with a good butcher shop can probably set you up.  But like pretty much every cut of beef these days, they're not cheap.

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Marinara Sauce

1 large can (90 oz) - San Marzano tomatoes
1 large white onion - diced
10 garlic cloves - minced
4 sprigs Italian parsley - chopped, stems included
1 teaspoon Italian oregano
Olive Oil
Kosher salt and black pepper
Red chili flakes (optional)
Baking soda (optional)

Coat a large stockpot with the oil. Adjust heat to medium. Add the onions, season with the salt, pepper and chili flakes, and sauté until translucent. Add the garlic and sauté for two minutes, until fragrant. Add the parsley and oregano and sauté for 30 seconds. Add the can of tomatoes (including the liquid) and bring the heat to high. As soon as the mixture comes to a boil, reduce the heat to low and cover. Simmer for 1 hour.

Remove from the heat and use an immersion blender to puree the entire mixture. Adjust seasoning. If the sauce is too acidic, add a little baking soda (1/4 tsp) and stir again. Repeat as necessary.
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Bolognese

0.5 LB ground sirloin
0.5 LB ground pork
1 large carrot, finely diced
1 medium onion, finely diced
1 celery stalk, finely diced
2 cups whole milk (or equal parts skim and half& half)
2 cups beef stock
Kosher salt and black pepper
Olive oil
Marinara sauce - recipe above

Coat a large skillet with the olive oil. Bring skillet to medium heat. Add the vegetables and Sauté until just turning soft. Add the meat and Sauté until just brown. Season with salt and pepper. Add the milk and reduce until there is no more liquid, stirring occasionally. Add the stock and reduce until there is no more liquid, stirring occasionally. Add the marinara sauce, reduce heat to low, cover, and simmer for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally.

(You can use all ground sirloin if you don't like pork)
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Looks like it will be delicious, Badge!


Any BBQ pundits here have any opinions about St. Louis spare ribs vs. baby backs?
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The St. Louis ribs have a little more fat content, and require a longer cooking time. I like them both equally, to be honest, and I just buy what is on sale at the time.
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St. Louis is a particular cut of a pork spare rib, and I definitely prefer pork spare ribs over baby backs.  Baby backs are just too small for me. 


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Baby's are not as forgiving either. I always brine mine first to combat that.
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I do baby back. Spares have the weird bit of cartilage and gristle on the very end that I never really like eating around.

Regarding baby backs being too small, I agree depending where you get them. The ribs I did yesterday were 3 racks, and clocked in a little over 10#. They were from Costco, which is my go-to for ribs. They had PLENTY of meat on them. 

But a lot of the baby backs you buy at restaurants or typical grocery stores aren't averaging >3#/rack, and thus can be a bit scrawny.

It's all in how they're cut. If they're cut to maximize the yield of the pork loin, then the ribs will be scrawny. If they give the ribs a little extra meat on the top, then they lose a little bit of pork loin. But I always shoot for minimum 9# for the 3-rack pack at Costco, and if I can get up in the 10# range I know I've got some very meaty ribs. 

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I do baby back. Spares have the weird bit of cartilage and gristle on the very end that I never really like eating around.

Regarding baby backs being too small, I agree depending where you get them. The ribs I did yesterday were 3 racks, and clocked in a little over 10#. They were from Costco, which is my go-to for ribs. They had PLENTY of meat on them.

But a lot of the baby backs you buy at restaurants or typical grocery stores aren't averaging >3#/rack, and thus can be a bit scrawny.

It's all in how they're cut. If they're cut to maximize the yield of the pork loin, then the ribs will be scrawny. If they give the ribs a little extra meat on the top, then they lose a little bit of pork loin. But I always shoot for minimum 9# for the 3-rack pack at Costco, and if I can get up in the 10# range I know I've got some very meaty ribs.

The gristle at the end of pork spares is cut off when they are butchered St. Louis style, as are the skirt flaps.

And baby backs are always going to be smaller, due to where they are found on the animal. The ribs themselves are shorter, so even when the butcher leaves more meat on them, they're still always going to be smaller than spares that came off the same animal.

I'm okay with grilling baby backs, but I don't BBQ them, they just don't do as well or taste as good.  Not enough fat.  My opinion, obviously.

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It's very much a personal preference thing... If I could only the scrawny racks I see at grocery stores, I'd probably do spares regardless. 

Yesterday my plan was to run through the whole cook w/o any foiling of the racks, but about an hour prior to service I was getting paranoid that they wouldn't finish in time. I wrapped them for 45 minutes to finish them off and then sauced them for 15 minutes to set up the sauce, and they came out beautiful. To me they're a little *too* fall off the bone, and wouldn't win any KCBS medals, but that's how the family likes them, so that's how I make them.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #626 on: December 07, 2020, 03:25:40 PM »
It's very much a personal preference thing... If I could only the scrawny racks I see at grocery stores, I'd probably do spares regardless.

Yesterday my plan was to run through the whole cook w/o any foiling of the racks, but about an hour prior to service I was getting paranoid that they wouldn't finish in time. I wrapped them for 45 minutes to finish them off and then sauced them for 15 minutes to set up the sauce, and they came out beautiful. To me they're a little *too* fall off the bone, and wouldn't win any KCBS medals, but that's how the family likes them, so that's how I make them.
Most people I know like their ribs more fall-off-the-bone than I do.  I'd firm them up even more than I normally do, in the final step, if I were only cooking for myself.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #627 on: December 07, 2020, 04:01:38 PM »
Bwarb and Utee:

Thanks for the comments.  They are consistent with a short video I saw from a guy who goes by something like Baby Back Bob.  He says that spare ribs used to have a big price advantage over baby backs, but now not so much.  Still, he prefers St. Louis-cut spare ribs.
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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #628 on: December 07, 2020, 04:10:53 PM »
as do I

more meat!
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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #629 on: December 07, 2020, 04:21:46 PM »
Spare ribs are more forgiving if you get drunk and fall asleep

 

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