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Stirring the Pot - week 4
« on: September 29, 2019, 08:20:50 PM »
Some of these I've touched on before.

1.  Michigan wide receivers are average.  Sometimes it isn't about being athletic, sometimes you're better off going with a football player.  I heard a lot about Nico and Tarik in the off season, but I think Bell is the best of the bunch.

2.  They interviewed Ralph Friedgren during the PSU-MD game.  He said some generic nice thinks about Locksley, but then said that Franklin was more flashy than Locksley, but more sincere.  Whoa.  That's not a good message to send to UMD recruits. It went under the radar, probably because the game was a blowout by that time.  Seems to me that maybe Ralph isn't a big Locksley fan...

3.  The transfer portal is going to help helmet schools more than anyone else.  Players that are buried on the depth chart will transfer, allowing for large recruiting classes.  Great players at a lower division or on a lesser league will be recruited to come to a helmet school.  The division between the haves and have-nots seems to be growing.  Parity is going away.  This will be bad for the sport as a whole, methinks.

4.  Justin Fields looks good, but he should have had to sit out a year.  See #3. 

5.  Minnesota looks like they could be 8-0 when Penn State comes into town.  They would be getting Penn State after a brutal run of Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan state.  Could they start 9-0?  Nah.  They'll lose to Illinois on Saturday.

6.  Michigan really should have been in the B1G West, and there should have been a protected rivalry game.  Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana are in a horrible situation. 

7.  Penn State students moved from the nosebleed section down to the empty MD student section after halftime.  This was to be closer to the field.  They did the same thing at Rutgers the year before when all of the Rutgers students left at halftime.  It looked bad, but those guys were just trying to get better seats, not trying to taunt anyone.  Frankly, there wasn't anyone there to taunt.  I would have done the same.

8.  I have absolutely nothing negative to say about Wisconsin right now, and that annoys me.  Your winters suck.  Real Chili has beans in it.


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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 08:39:54 PM »
1. Bell has been good except for a few drops, but he also doesn't face opposing teams' top CBs as much. Black and Collins also haven't gotten as many targets as they should be getting, either. I do kind of think Peoples-Jones is/was somewhat overrated, though he's returning from an injury. Michigan is also running the ball more than expected (except at Wisconsin) with varying degrees of success.

3. It hasn't been as helpful as expected (certainly not in comparison to its impact on college basketball). It doesn't seem like there have been that many graduate transfers coming to top 25 teams (which I realize is a separate but related rule). Michigan hasn't had many, and the ones they've had haven't been significant except for Rudock in 2015. What concerns is me is the precedent at Houston where top players are sitting out before their 5th game if their team has a bad start, especially if they're seniors with the option to graduate-transfer the next year, though apparently the Houston players have declared they'll return next year.

6. Putting Sparty in the West would've worked since the Michigan rivalry could be protected like Indiana - Purdue (does anyone really see their games against Indiana and Penn State as rivalries despite being trophy games?), but you can't put Michigan in the West while leaving Ohio State and Michigan State in the East (and as I said with the original divisions, the risk of having a Michigan - Ohio State rematch makes splitting them dumb..... There have been other examples of this (Fresno - Boise and Washington - Utah last year, Auburn and Georgia a few years ago, along with every recent Big12CG), and the rematches are almost never compelling.
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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2019, 08:54:22 PM »
6. Putting Sparty in the West would've worked since the Michigan rivalry could be protected like Indiana - Purdue (does anyone really see their games against Indiana and Penn State as rivalries despite being trophy games?), but you can't put Michigan in the West while leaving Ohio State and Michigan State in the East (and as I said with the original divisions, the risk of having a Michigan - Ohio State rematch makes splitting them dumb..... There have been other examples of this (Fresno - Boise and Washington - Utah last year, Auburn and Georgia a few years ago, along with every recent Big12CG), and the rematches are almost never compelling.
I don't like the Big 12 CCG one bit.  It's a made-up, money-grubbing, gotta-do-it-for-CFP-competitiveness, bastardized game.

Also, I do not like rematches in general.

All that notwithstanding, the Big 12 conference champion automatically and inescapably will have played every team in the conference and will have played the next-best team twice.

That counts for something.

Apropos of some of the above, I'd be happy if the CFP Committee adopted a rule that if two teams from the same conference get in, they will automatically play each other in the semifinal round.
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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2019, 10:01:18 PM »
Some of these I've touched on before.

1.  Michigan wide receivers are average.  Sometimes it isn't about being athletic, sometimes you're better off going with a football player.  I heard a lot about Nico and Tarik in the off season, but I think Bell is the best of the bunch.

2.  They interviewed Ralph Friedgren during the PSU-MD game.  He said some generic nice thinks about Locksley, but then said that Franklin was more flashy than Locksley, but more sincere.  Whoa.  That's not a good message to send to UMD recruits. It went under the radar, probably because the game was a blowout by that time.  Seems to me that maybe Ralph isn't a big Locksley fan...

3.  The transfer portal is going to help helmet schools more than anyone else.  Players that are buried on the depth chart will transfer, allowing for large recruiting classes.  Great players at a lower division or on a lesser league will be recruited to come to a helmet school.  The division between the haves and have-nots seems to be growing.  Parity is going away.  This will be bad for the sport as a whole, methinks.

4.  Justin Fields looks good, but he should have had to sit out a year.  See #3. 

5.  Minnesota looks like they could be 8-0 when Penn State comes into town.  They would be getting Penn State after a brutal run of Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan state.  Could they start 9-0?  Nah.  They'll lose to Illinois on Saturday.

6.  Michigan really should have been in the B1G West, and there should have been a protected rivalry game.  Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana are in a horrible situation. 

7.  Penn State students moved from the nosebleed section down to the empty MD student section after halftime.  This was to be closer to the field.  They did the same thing at Rutgers the year before when all of the Rutgers students left at halftime.  It looked bad, but those guys were just trying to get better seats, not trying to taunt anyone.  Frankly, there wasn't anyone there to taunt.  I would have done the same.

8.  I have absolutely nothing negative to say about Wisconsin right now, and that annoys me.  Your winters suck.  Real Chili has beans in it.


I’m glad you brought up the comment Fridge made about Franklin being more sincere than Locksley. I actually mentioned it in the game thread but no one responded.  I was preoccupied doing other things with the game on in the background and wasn’t sure I even heard it right.  But it was definitely something that made me be like, “Damn, did I hear that right?”

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 12:33:55 AM »

4.  Justin Fields looks good, but he should have had to sit out a year.  See #3. 

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 10:21:35 AM »
100% of transfers that acquire the services of a lawyer have been give immediate eligibility.
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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 10:23:46 AM »
Sad, isn't it?
As a lawyer, it's good actually.

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 10:42:33 AM »
I’m glad you brought up the comment Fridge made about Franklin being more sincere than Locksley. I actually mentioned it in the game thread but no one responded.  I was preoccupied doing other things with the game on in the background and wasn’t sure I even heard it right.  But it was definitely something that made me be like, “Damn, did I hear that right?”
Yep.  Nobody else is talking about it.  

Here's the quote:
"Well, you know they are both good young coaches, Mike does a great job of communicating with people, very good recruiter, very hard worker, James is a little bit more flashier than Mike is, but I think he's more sincere.  So they are both doing well and I feel good about both of them."

Reading this again, perhaps he meant that Locksley was more sincere by the pronoun "he."  Or perhaps he meant that Franklin was more sincere "than he appears" or something like that.  Watching it live it does appear that Fridge is saying that Franklin is more sincere.

Here's a link to the exchange online, happens at 41 minutes in.  The quality is terrible, but you can still hear him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0O1OF3mOLc&t=1777s
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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 10:43:46 AM »
As a lawyer, it's good actually.
Unless you're a poor college kid without the funds for a lawyer, I suppose.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 10:49:28 AM »
I don't get much from the Fridge's comments.  Coach speak really.

Lawyers line up to rep players for obvious reasons.

I have zero clue how Fields could be eligible this year other than that he is.  Eason had to sit.  Fields wasn't playing enough simple as that.

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2019, 10:57:54 AM »
1. Bell has been good except for a few drops, but he also doesn't face opposing teams' top CBs as much. Black and Collins also haven't gotten as many targets as they should be getting, either. I do kind of think Peoples-Jones is/was somewhat overrated, though he's returning from an injury. Michigan is also running the ball more than expected (except at Wisconsin) with varying degrees of success.

3. It hasn't been as helpful as expected (certainly not in comparison to its impact on college basketball). It doesn't seem like there have been that many graduate transfers coming to top 25 teams (which I realize is a separate but related rule). Michigan hasn't had many, and the ones they've had haven't been significant except for Rudock in 2015. What concerns is me is the precedent at Houston where top players are sitting out before their 5th game if their team has a bad start, especially if they're seniors with the option to graduate-transfer the next year, though apparently the Houston players have declared they'll return next year.

6. Putting Sparty in the West would've worked since the Michigan rivalry could be protected like Indiana - Purdue (does anyone really see their games against Indiana and Penn State as rivalries despite being trophy games?), but you can't put Michigan in the West while leaving Ohio State and Michigan State in the East (and as I said with the original divisions, the risk of having a Michigan - Ohio State rematch makes splitting them dumb..... There have been other examples of this (Fresno - Boise and Washington - Utah last year, Auburn and Georgia a few years ago, along with every recent Big12CG), and the rematches are almost never compelling.
1.  DPJ is pretty good.  I just don't think the unit is anywhere close to the best in the B1G.

3.  Penn State gained two graduate transfers -- an All-American WR from an FCS school, and their kickoff specialist from VT.  Ohio State got Justin Fields.  Oklahoma has Jalen Hurts.   Michigan has Patterson.  That's just off the top of my head.

However, it is more than being able to pick the best players from less prominent schools.  Penn State had a bunch of 2nd and 3rd team players transfer, allowing them to take a recruiting class of nearly 30 kids this cycle.  That's unheard of around here.  That's an SEC sized class, and will more than likely pay off down the road. 

6.  All of these are fair points, but Rutgers, Indiana, and Maryland still have raw deal.  Even their best teams of all time would struggle to win the division.  Makes it hard to continuously improve if your ceiling is 9-3.

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2019, 12:00:18 PM »

Bama - At A&M, at Auburn,  LSU.

Auburn - At Florida, at LSU, UGA, Bama (ouch)

LSU - Florida, @ Bama, Auburn, A&M  (A&M may not be that much) 

UGA - Florida (NS), A&M, @ Auburn

Florida - UGA (NS), Auburn, @ LSU

A 2 loss SEC champ is possible.

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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2019, 12:38:52 PM »
Bama - At A&M, at Auburn,  LSU.

Auburn - At Florida, at LSU, UGA, Bama (ouch)

LSU - Florida, @ Bama, Auburn, A&M  (A&M may not be that much)

UGA - Florida (NS), A&M, @ Auburn

Florida - UGA (NS), Auburn, @ LSU

A 2 loss SEC champ is possible.
That would certainly be interesting.  It would be even more interesting if another SEC team ends up 11-1 but misses the CG.  

Example:
  • Bama loses to Auburn, misses SECCG, finishes 11-1.  
  • Auburn loses to UGA, makes SECCG, loses to UF, finishes 11-2.  
  • LSU loses at least twice (Bama, Auburn), misses SECCG.  
  • UGA loses to UF and aTm, beats Auburn, misses SECCG.  
  • Florida loses to Auburn and LSU, makes SECCG, wins and finishes 11-2.  

So at CFP selection time the SEC would have three potential CFP teams:
  • 11-1 non-Champion Bama
  • 11-2 Champion Florida
  • 11-2 non-Champion Auburn


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Re: Stirring the Pot - week 4
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2019, 12:48:16 PM »
5.  Minnesota looks like they could be 8-0 when Penn State comes into town.  They would be getting Penn State after a brutal run of Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan state.  Could they start 9-0?  Nah.  They'll lose to Illinois on Saturday.
I just noticed this immediately before I came to this thread.  I don't know what to make of the Gophers.  In our current Power Rankings I am their lowest voter (#10).  They are undefeated which is good but they haven't looked very good in any of their games:
  • SDST:  the Jackrabbits appear to be a good FCS team, but they are still an FCS team and the Gophers only beat them by a TD.  
  • FresnoSt:  The Gophers needed double OT to take out FresnoSt which is excusable since it was a West Coast game but still, not all that impressive.  
  • GaSo:  Georgia Southern is terrible.  They are 1-3 and the only win came against Maine.  Minnesota's FG win over them does not look good at all.  
  • Purdue:  The Boilermakers have not been good at all this year and Minnesota did everything they could to try to lose that game.  

That said, they are undefeated and now receiving votes in the polls.  They have an odd schedule.  It looks like they are going to play their five easiest B1G opponents first (IL, RU, PU, UNL, UMD) then they finish with Penn State, @Iowa, @Northwestern, Wisconsin.  It would not be shocking for them to head into that PSU game at 8-0/5-0.  


 

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