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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10010 on: May 25, 2024, 07:41:54 AM »
Yup, deforestation in Brazil has slowed, but is continuing.  There is still a lot left.  This is from 2018.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10011 on: May 25, 2024, 07:42:42 AM »
Oddly enough, most of the fiber used in our toilet paper was eucalyptus from Brazil.  Those trees grow to "yield" in seven years.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10012 on: May 25, 2024, 07:55:40 AM »
Lots of people have 7+ years of toilet paper in their basements.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10013 on: May 25, 2024, 08:06:55 AM »
It's kinda amusing how after the US clearcut most of the lower 48 we now complain about Brazil.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10014 on: May 25, 2024, 02:04:46 PM »
Aerial image of Houston power loss. Amazing.

Houston area's 1 million power outages after 100 mph derecho spotted from space | Fox Weather
Houston area's 1 million power outages after 100 mph derecho spotted from space | Fox Weather
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10015 on: May 26, 2024, 08:55:13 AM »
Germany has so much energy coming from solar panels that it's outpaced consumer demand and pushed energy prices into a steep nose dive — even going past zero into the negative, according to Business Insider, creating an Alice in Wonderland energy market in which consumers of electricity can be paid to use the extra power.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/germany-solar-power-electric-prices
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10016 on: May 26, 2024, 08:56:59 AM »
This of course is a problem with wind and solar.  To have "enough", you need to build way more than enough, as much as 3x, or have a lot of storage capacity.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10017 on: May 26, 2024, 11:22:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 25, 2024, 08:06:55 AM
It's kinda amusing how after the US clearcut most of the lower 48 we now complain about Brazil.




and yet it's been said there are more trees growing today in the US then ever before

is that not correct
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10018 on: May 26, 2024, 11:27:29 AM »
Reforestation in the US has been extensive, yes.  I'm pretty sure there were more trees in the Lower 48 in preColumbian times than today.

We did clearcut most of the forested lands.  Much has grown back, or turned into tree farms, but by now means all.

Prior to the arrival of European-Americans, about one half of the United States land area was forest, about 1,023,000,000 acres (4,140,000 km2) estimated in 1630. Forest cover in the Eastern United States reached its lowest point in roughly 1872 with about 48 percent compared to the amount of forest cover in 1620.

Prior to the arrival of [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]European-Americans[/iurl], about one half of the United States land area was forest, about 1,023,000,000 acres (4,140,000 km2) estimated in 1630. [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Forest cover[/color] in the Eastern United States reached its lowest point in roughly 1872 with about 48 percent compared to the amount of forest cover in 1620. The majority of deforestation took place prior to 1910 with the Forest Service reporting the minimum forestation as 721,000,000 acres (2,920,000 km2) around 1920.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][2][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] The forest resources of the United States remained relatively constant through the 20th century.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][3][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] The Forest Service reported total forestation as 766,000,000 acres (3,100,000 km2) in 2012[/font][/size][/color]
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10019 on: May 26, 2024, 11:32:16 AM »
your statement of clear cut most of the lower 48 was a slight exaggeration it appears
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10020 on: May 26, 2024, 11:45:23 AM »
Not really, clear cutting does not mean the land ended up deforested later.  Trees grow back of course.


  Forests in 1620.

Amount of VIRGIN forest remaining 1920.

It's a way of noting most of the virgin forest was cut down (a good  bit of it by native Americans before Columbus).  Once cut, quite a bit grew back, either naturally or with human replanting.



Quite a bit of south Georgia is forested, but as tree farms.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10021 on: May 26, 2024, 11:50:06 AM »
Atlanta is nicknamed a "City in a Forest", which is kind of true, though it's not unique.

Atlanta tree canopy - Wikipedia


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10022 on: May 26, 2024, 07:18:04 PM »
Forest acres at countrys beginning 830 million lower 48

Forest acres today 620 million lower 48

Considering this country currently has over 300 million folks
lowering our forest acres by only 25% really is pretty good
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