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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9996 on: May 23, 2024, 09:16:09 PM »
It worked. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9997 on: May 23, 2024, 09:53:19 PM »
save the whales?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9998 on: May 24, 2024, 08:34:46 AM »
I was thinking the other day…does anybody remember the whole “ save the rain Forrest” campaign from the 80’s and 90’s ?  Why don’t you ever hear about that anymore ? 
Because now it's all about humans being bad.

Remember in the 1970's when we were told we would be entering an ice age?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9999 on: May 24, 2024, 08:37:05 AM »
Remember in the 1970's when we were told we would be entering an ice age?
This was a minority view based on some solar influences that turned out to be very apparent.  But, Time magazine picked it up as a cover and it got popularized.  It was never a mainstream climate concept, and climate science at the time was just starting out.  (I think it still is.)

The rain forests are still being reduced in size of course.  The "save the whales" effort was more successful.

The notion that rain forests produce our oxygen is largely wrong.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10000 on: May 24, 2024, 08:42:44 AM »
the notion back then that the world would run out of oil by now was largely wrong
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« Reply #10001 on: May 24, 2024, 08:54:08 AM »
It was completely wrong.  Fracking has something to do with that, though it mostly relates to NG.  A LOT of projections back when were wrong, it's the nature of things.

A LOT of projections NOW are wrong also.

I continue to HOPE the climate change disaster scenarios are wrong, but I also fear it could end up being worse.  

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« Reply #10002 on: May 24, 2024, 09:04:43 AM »

A LOT of projections NOW are wrong also.

they aren't projected as projections.  They are projected as absolutes and science.
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« Reply #10003 on: May 24, 2024, 09:07:59 AM »
I remember as a 17-year old, getting into a discussion with the father of a girl I was dating, as I was waiting for her to finish getting ready for our date.  I was trying to sound smart and repeated some of that nonsense I'd heard about the world running out of oil by the year 2000.  I'd heard it at a symposium I attended for prospective engineering students, from a well-regarded Petroleum Engineer from Texas A&M.

Here dad just laughed at me, told me that was bulljive and to find better sources.

That was truly embarrassing, but on the flipside, I was boning his very hot blonde daughter, so I guess it turned out alright.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10004 on: May 24, 2024, 09:10:33 AM »
they aren't projected as projections.  They are projected as absolutes and science.
I can't think of any projection projected as being absolute, except perhaps in occasional really poor reportage.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10005 on: May 24, 2024, 12:04:33 PM »


This was an EF4.  A thing different with tornadoes is obviously the wind speed goes from 10 mph to 200 mph suddenly, within seconds.  A hurricane builds over hours, a building has some time to adjust on its foundations.  And then there is the pressure drop.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10006 on: May 25, 2024, 07:12:03 AM »
I think, the deforestation was likely being grossly exaggerated, But the average person had no way to know. But anybody with access to Google or other search engines/mapping can pull up a map/satellite picture and see for themselves that there is a lot of rainforest in S America. 


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« Reply #10007 on: May 25, 2024, 07:17:51 AM »
I remember as a 17-year old, getting into a discussion with the father of a girl I was dating, as I was waiting for her to finish getting ready for our date.  I was trying to sound smart and repeated some of that nonsense I'd heard about the world running out of oil by the year 2000.  I'd heard it at a symposium I attended for prospective engineering students, from a well-regarded Petroleum Engineer from Texas A&M.

Here dad just laughed at me, told me that was bulljive and to find better sources.

That was truly embarrassing, but on the flipside, I was boning his very hot blonde daughter, so I guess it turned out alright.
My father in law has been in the peak oil crowd for ~30 years. Over the last 5 years or so we’ve had some very heated arguments about it. I told him that the US is producing more oil than it ever has in its history and that “we” will never run out of oil, not for hundreds of years. Because as oil gets more expensive we will simply extract it from places that it costs more to drill for but it’s nevertheless still there. 

He’s near the end now, so he’ll never live to see it anyways, but he literally thinks we are on the brink of running out. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10008 on: May 25, 2024, 07:18:22 AM »

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« Reply #10009 on: May 25, 2024, 07:34:00 AM »
That link appears to date from 2001.  

 

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