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Hawkinole · « **Reply #15820 on:** October 14, 2021, 01:24:03 AM »

It was reported to me yesterday that two former clients died of COVID-19 the past two days. The virus was running rampantly through one of those families. Ten-days ago it ran through another family I represented.
Vaccinate yourselves or face death, and hospitalization, discomfort, and fear. WTH?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #15821 on:** October 14, 2021, 08:31:35 AM »

Interesting, from Australia.

Catching Covid after you are vaccinated improves immunity | The Courier Mail

utee94 · « **Reply #15822 on:** October 14, 2021, 08:53:39 AM »

Looks like there's a paywall.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #15823 on:** October 14, 2021, 09:04:51 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 14, 2021, 08:53:39 AM

Looks like there's a paywall.

I fix.

Don’t freak out: Catching Covid after you are vaccinated improves immunity
If you are fully vaccinated against Covid the next step to improve your immunity may be to actually catch the virus.

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October 10, 2021 - 4:00AM
News Corp Australia Network

For 20 months we’ve cowered behind masks, scrubbed ourselves with hand sanitizer and socially distanced to avoid Covid — now most people are vaccinated, experts are telling us we need to prepare to catch the virus.

It sounds counterintuitive but the argument is if you are vaccinated and catch Covid, you are unlikely to get seriously ill or go to hospital and getting the virus will further boost your immunity.

The new message comes as infections in the US and worldwide appear to have peaked and some scientists are noticing the virus has a wave pattern — two months of high infections followed by a decline then two months of high infections.

With lockdowns in three states due to ease in coming weeks Australian National University’s infectious diseases expert Professor Peter Collignon and University of Newcastle’s Professor Nathan Bartlett said fully vaccinated people needed to change their attitude to the virus.

Prepare yourself to be infected and don’t “freak out” if you do catch it when lockdowns end, they said.

“You might want to get it, you definitely want to get it. You definitely want to be vaccinated before you get it, because if you’re vaccinated your risk of death goes down,” said Prof. Collignon.

Prof. Bartlett said: “It’s immunity you want supported by the vaccine but then sort of topped up, by circulation and that’s really is what’s going to ultimately lead to make this turn this virus into basically an endemic, common cold causing virus, and that’s what you want it to be”.

The head of the Australian Society of Infectious diseases (ASID) Allen Cheng said he expected “everyone will probably be exposed, eventually.”

“We want to be vaccinated, so we have the best defenses against it when it happens that we meet the virus,” he said.

A study by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and another by one of Israel’s largest health providers found people who’d recovered from Covid and were later vaccinated had half the risk of reinfection compared with unvaccinated people who’d previously had Covid.

The Kaolinska Institute’s Charlotte Thalin told The Conversation combining natural infection with protection from a vaccine may work better because natural infection exposes our immune system to several viral proteins while vaccines introduce a single antigen: the spike protein.

But, like the other experts, she cautions you want to be vaccinated before getting infected because getting a natural infection first exposes you to the risks of death, blood clots and long Covid.

Tokyo Olympics gold medalist swimmer Madison Wilson is living proof of how vaccination can protect a person even if they catch the infection.

The 27 year old was hospitalized for four days with Covid on September 19, but went on win a Gold medal in the 200 metre freestyle event at the FINA championships on October 3.

Ms. Wilson said she “truly believed” the vaccine had minimized her symptoms.

“I want to continue to encourage people to get vaccinated, I did end up in hospital but that is as a precaution because I do have underlying chest and lung issues,” she said.

Her win at the international competition “means even more with what I’ve, what I’ve gone through in the last couple of weeks,” she said.
After being released from hospital in Rome, she spent 11 days in hotel quarantine which meant she was unable to train in a pool.

She said it “was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do not only physically but mentally laying on my back for that period of time.”

“But everything that I’ve learned over the last few weeks is the mind is incredibly strong and probably even stronger than what the body is,” she said.

CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #15824 on:** October 14, 2021, 10:04:18 AM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on September 30, 2021, 10:32:33 AM

My Doctor wasted no time shooting down my request to “kick the second shot down the road.” Other than the “digestive discomfort” he says the symptoms I went through “isn’t too uncommon.” Says unless I’m experiencing Anaphylaxis there's NO justification to write anything that lets a patient delay the second shot.

Second shot is schedule for October 12. I’ll tough out whatever reactions comes of it; lucky for me California’s Dept of Labor allows for up to a workweek of excused absence should my lower back act up again.

Aftermath of second shot is as miserable as first. After yesterday’s second Pfizer dose I awoke at 1AM consumed by pounding headaches, zapped energy, and cold sweats. Still continuing two days later. At this point I wish I’d foregone the vaccine and risked Covid, the symptoms of which can’t be worse. Really hoping boosters aren’t mandated six months from now.

EDIT: I stand corrected, it could be worse

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #15825 on:** October 14, 2021, 10:22:27 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 14, 2021, 08:31:35 AM

Interesting, from Australia.

Catching Covid after you are vaccinated improves immunity | The Courier Mail

Very interesting, Badge, and thanks for sharing.

It alludes to, but IMHO doesn't answer, the question I've had for a long time:

If natural infection (per the Israeli study) confers stronger immunity than the vaccine, and vaccination after natural infection confers stronger immunity than either, what is the effect of natural infection for the vaccinated?

Unfortunately, this article talks about the opinion of experts, rather than anything that has actually been proven via study--or at least if there is any actual study, they didn't cite it at all by name or even implication. I'd highlight that the source is also News Corp, which doesn't invalidate what they're saying but it makes me more likely to suspect political editorial bias in the article.

I think what they're saying is probably true, though. I personally was never overly scared of the virus myself, due to my age and health. I was more concerned that I might pass it to someone much more vulnerable. But there was always the very low chance that I'd be one of those who was perfectly healthy and still ended up being a virus death statistic. Now that I'm vaccinated, that chance is much lower than ever before, so I am not actually concerned about catching the virus--and there's a part of me that thinks it would be beneficial for my immune system to face it post-vax so that I can improve immunity. I'm not going to be going to any COVID parties or something stupid like that, but I'm not taking extraordinary efforts to avoid it either.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #15826 on:** October 14, 2021, 10:24:23 AM »

I got the booster Tuesday. No real symptoms other than a sore arm, although Tuesday night I woke up completely wired after a couple hours of sleep. Not sure that is vaccine related or what, but it was weird. Maybe the microchips were getting turned on.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #15827 on:** October 14, 2021, 10:27:22 AM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on October 14, 2021, 10:04:18 AM

Aftermath of second shot is as miserable as first. After yesterday’s second Pfizer dose I awoke at 1AM consumed by pounding headaches, zapped energy, and cold sweats. Still continuing two days later. At this point I wish I’d foregone the vaccine and risked Covid, the symptoms of which can’t be worse. Really hoping boosters aren’t mandated six months from now.

Sorry to hear that the second shot knocked you on your ass again. I hope it passes soon.

As mentioned, you or your doctor should report the symptoms to VAERS, so at the very least it is recorded.

That said, the symptoms of COVID can be worse, much worse, than what you're describing. A few days of this nightmare is better than being on a ventilator or in a morgue. Those outcomes are unlikely, of course, but so are the side effects you're experiencing from the vaccine.

Again, hope it gets better soon... Sorry that you're one of the few that got hit with these nasty side effects.

Geolion91 · « **Reply #15828 on:** October 14, 2021, 10:42:45 AM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on October 14, 2021, 10:04:18 AM

Aftermath of second shot is as miserable as first. After yesterday’s second Pfizer dose I awoke at 1AM consumed by pounding headaches, zapped energy, and cold sweats. Still continuing two days later. At this point I wish I’d foregone the vaccine and risked Covid, the symptoms of which can’t be worse. Really hoping boosters aren’t mandated six months from now.

Really? I got to stay overnight in the hospital with atrial fibrillation, on Christmas Eve, thanks to COVID. I wish the vaccine had been available to me before I went through that. Fortunately, I wasn't so bad off and didn't require a ventilator.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #15829 on:** October 14, 2021, 11:59:33 AM »

I say this not directly to Catsby, but to all.

Anything can always be worse. Always. Even if we sometimes lack imagination. I think if this often when a friend of a friend who likes the Browns was lamenting a coach who went a deist 7-9 in year 1 and fell to 3-13. Can’t be worse the fellow said.

They went 1-31 the first two years with the next coach, then fired him after 2-5 in Year 3.

Abba · « **Reply #15830 on:** October 14, 2021, 01:26:46 PM »

Hue Jackson is a great NFL coach. Or at least he tells he us he is.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #15831 on:** October 14, 2021, 05:07:02 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 14, 2021, 10:22:27 AM

Very interesting, Badge, and thanks for sharing.

It alludes to, but IMHO doesn't answer, the question I've had for a long time:

If natural infection (per the Israeli study) confers stronger immunity than the vaccine, and vaccination after natural infection confers stronger immunity than either, what is the effect of natural infection for the vaccinated?

Unfortunately, this article talks about the opinion of experts, rather than anything that has actually been proven via study--or at least if there is any actual study, they didn't cite it at all by name or even implication. I'd highlight that the source is also News Corp, which doesn't invalidate what they're saying but it makes me more likely to suspect political editorial bias in the article.

I think what they're saying is probably true, though. I personally was never overly scared of the virus myself, due to my age and health. I was more concerned that I might pass it to someone much more vulnerable. But there was always the very low chance that I'd be one of those who was perfectly healthy and still ended up being a virus death statistic. Now that I'm vaccinated, that chance is much lower than ever before, so I am not actually concerned about catching the virus--and there's a part of me that thinks it would be beneficial for my immune system to face it post-vax so that I can improve immunity. I'm not going to be going to any COVID parties or something stupid like that, but I'm not taking extraordinary efforts to avoid it either.

Perfectly healthy? Didn’t we agreed that you were considered overweight and therefore had one of them comorbidities?

(speaking of someone who would be considered healthy in a lot of different ways, at least before a job change through a bunch of my habits out of whack, and is still technically overweight)

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #15832 on:** October 14, 2021, 06:33:10 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on October 14, 2021, 05:07:02 PM

Perfectly healthy? Didn’t we agreed that you were considered overweight and therefore had one of them comorbidities?

(speaking of someone who would be considered healthy in a lot of different ways, at least before a job change through a bunch of my habits out of whack, and is still technically overweight)

Fair point... My BMI is slightly over 30, so I am technically obese.

I know when California was opening up the various tranches of vaccine eligibility, they wouldn't allow you to get it just due to obesity, it was due to a BMI >= 40.

That said, BMI is bullshit. Most professional athletes are considered overweight or obese via BMI because while their body fat is miniscule, their muscle mass is WAY outside the mainstream. I'm not comparing myself to a professional athlete--my body fat % is something I need to reduce. But my muscle mass is pretty far outside the mainstream, so much so that my own doctor basically said BMI doesn't apply to me (while he said I should cut some fat).

Now, what I don't know is whether COVID bad effects correlate purely to higher BMI, or whether they correlate to the bad health that usually correlates with higher BMI. I also don't know how linear they are--do they really ramp up at BMI of 30, or do they really ramp up at morbidly obese BMIs of 40 or more?

Either way, I think I'm actually pretty safely in a "low risk" group. My BMI might elevate it somewhat, but if so it's only one comorbidity and it's just barely in the obese category at all.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #15833 on:** October 14, 2021, 06:37:50 PM »

I'm 5-8. I'm at 220 pounds +/-, so I'm obese, technically.

But, my muscle weighs in at 175 pounds (professionally checked). My body fat is around 16%.

I'm not obese, but I might use that to sneak in line for a booster.

Moderna is a 50% dose, when approved.

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