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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13818 on: May 21, 2021, 12:08:28 PM »
Newsweek is a zombie publication now.

I noticed this with Time magazine as well, the same thing I went through with Sports Illustrated. There's nothing a weekly subscription publication can present to the public that isn't already widely known thanks to instant digital media sources. They know this and in turn I think it's driven news into the Op-Eding everything to fill the page and screen. By 9AM the next day, ESPN knows its audience has watched numerous clips of Myles Garrett hitting Mason Rudolph over the head so rather than presenting the incident as news the natural extension is to have the First Take Crew opine for thirty minutes of air time.

The outcome of all this is that when an ever developing story comes along that is best served to the public by matter-of-fact breakdown (like Covid), the reaction is instead to immediately process updates through the Op-Ed machine because that's what news media is built for these days.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13819 on: May 21, 2021, 01:32:01 PM »
ROME (AP) — American pharmaceutical company Pfizer and German company BioNTech pledged Friday to deliver 2 billion doses of their COVID-19 vaccine to middle- and low-income countries over the next 18 months, amid international calls for more vaccine solidarity.

The companies, which together developed the first vaccine to be authorized for use in the United States and Europe, made the announcement at a global health summit in Rome co-hosted by the European Union’s executive arm and Italy.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said they expect to provide a billion of the doses this year and another billion in 2022.

It was unclear whether the deliveries would take place through the U.N.-backed COVAX program, which aims to ensure equitable access to COVID-19 shots for low-and middle-income countries, or if countries would get the doses at a reduced price directly from the companies.

Bourla said his company last year adopted a three-tiered pricing policy guaranteeing that low-income countries get the shots at cost and to have middle-income nations pay about half the price wealthier nations are charged.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13820 on: May 21, 2021, 02:22:54 PM »
Makes one wonder why mask mandates arent being ended

Even to the point of ignoring what the experts are saying

what possible reason could certain folks in authority have for not ending mask mandates
Simple calculation:

  • Keep the mask mandate another month and case rates remain low -- politically you've not really changed anything.
  • Keep the mask mandate another month and case rates spike (due to whatever reason) -- not your fault; you didn't change policy.
  • Remove the mask mandate immediately and case rates remain low -- politically you don't have a payoff. 
  • Remove the mask mandate immediately and cases spike -- politically you look like you've botched things. 


So if you're a politician, you're risk-averse. Especially in a state like CA where (without getting into politics) you're part of the overwhelming majority political party in the state AND that political party isn't the "screw masks; COVID is just the flu" party. 

There's a political risk to ending the mask mandate and cases spiking (scenario #4), and no real political benefit to any of the other scenarios. So you avoid the outcome that has the potential to make you look bad. 

If you're in a red state, typically #3 and #4 are reversed. If you remove the mandate and nothing bad happens your political supporters hail you as a brave hero. If you remove the mandate and cases spike... Well they were never in favor of the mandate anyway. They'll point to cases spiking somewhere else with a mask mandate [such as CA] and excuse your behavior. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13821 on: May 21, 2021, 03:19:22 PM »
Simple calculation:

  • Keep the mask mandate another month and case rates remain low -- politically you've not really changed anything.
  • Keep the mask mandate another month and case rates spike (due to whatever reason) -- not your fault; you didn't change policy.
  • Remove the mask mandate immediately and case rates remain low -- politically you don't have a payoff.
  • Remove the mask mandate immediately and cases spike -- politically you look like you've botched things.


So if you're a politician, you're risk-averse. Especially in a state like CA where (without getting into politics) you're part of the overwhelming majority political party in the state AND that political party isn't the "screw masks; COVID is just the flu" party.

There's a political risk to ending the mask mandate and cases spiking (scenario #4), and no real political benefit to any of the other scenarios. So you avoid the outcome that has the potential to make you look bad.

If you're in a red state, typically #3 and #4 are reversed. If you remove the mandate and nothing bad happens your political supporters hail you as a brave hero. If you remove the mandate and cases spike... Well they were never in favor of the mandate anyway. They'll point to cases spiking somewhere else with a mask mandate [such as CA] and excuse your behavior.
I think the current Governor of Calif might not agree with number 3

considering hes heading toward being fired
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13822 on: May 21, 2021, 03:51:55 PM »
I think the current Governor of Calif might not agree with number 3

considering hes heading toward being fired
Can't get too deep in a response w/o getting political, but there's a certain anger that people get when politicians adopt a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality and then get caught.

California likes to fire our governors--as opposed to Illinois, which prefers incarceration... 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13823 on: May 21, 2021, 04:59:49 PM »
Leaders of Iowa school districts cannot require students or staff to wear masks, and Iowa cities and counties cannot impose mask mandates under a law Gov. Kim Reynolds signed early Thursday.

The law went into effect immediately. The signing prompted several Iowa school districts to modify their mask requirements as a result Thursday.

The measure passed the House by a 53-35 vote and passed the Senate by a 29-17 vote in the waning hours of the 2021 legislative session. It was part of a larger education bill that would expand open enrollment in Iowa. Both votes split along party lines.

Reynolds, a Republican, said Wednesday morning, before either chamber passed the legislation, that she would likely be in favor of the measure. She then promptly signed it into law within hours of its passage.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13824 on: May 21, 2021, 05:24:13 PM »
Can't get too deep in a response w/o getting political, but there's a certain anger that people get when politicians adopt a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality and then get caught.

California likes to fire our governors--as opposed to Illinois, which prefers incarceration...
It was not my intent to make a political statement

I was just pointing out that folks are getting tired of this mask crap and politicians who fail to understand may pay the price 

There is no reason for the schools to be closed but there California is with still a lot of students not being taught in person
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13825 on: May 22, 2021, 12:14:32 AM »
Leaders of Iowa school districts cannot require students or staff to wear masks, and Iowa cities and counties cannot impose mask mandates under a law Gov. Kim Reynolds signed early Thursday.

The law went into effect immediately. The signing prompted several Iowa school districts to modify their mask requirements as a result Thursday.

The measure passed the House by a 53-35 vote and passed the Senate by a 29-17 vote in the waning hours of the 2021 legislative session. It was part of a larger education bill that would expand open enrollment in Iowa. Both votes split along party lines.

Reynolds, a Republican, said Wednesday morning, before either chamber passed the legislation, that she would likely be in favor of the measure. She then promptly signed it into law within hours of its passage.

I think this approach is too inflexible, as there is no local control, and there can be localized flare-ups.

That said, I sit on a nonprofit board that has met by conference call for about 14-months. Yesterday we had our first in-person meeting since the pandemic started. It was nice to see people I have been meeting with for 25-years. We could communicate more effectively, and view documents together. It is nice to reopen, and right now our #s in NE Iowa are low. I am concerned we are reopening too rapidly because our rural Iowa vaccination completed percentage is below 50%. Our #s will rise above 50% as children are now being vaccinated. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13826 on: May 22, 2021, 07:26:38 AM »
I noticed this with Time magazine as well, the same thing I went through with Sports Illustrated. There's nothing a weekly subscription publication can present to the public that isn't already widely known thanks to instant digital media sources. They know this and in turn I think it's driven news into the Op-Eding everything to fill the page and screen. By 9AM the next day, ESPN knows its audience has watched numerous clips of Myles Garrett hitting Mason Rudolph over the head so rather than presenting the incident as news the natural extension is to have the First Take Crew opine for thirty minutes of air time.

The outcome of all this is that when an ever developing story comes along that is best served to the public by matter-of-fact breakdown (like Covid), the reaction is instead to immediately process updates through the Op-Ed machine because that's what news media is built for these days.
I haven't seen an issue of Time in forever. Newsweek essentially went under, but sold their rights to some content factory which just churns out content and hot takes under the Newsweek banner. 

I actually tried to buy a couple magazines the other day at Kroger when it was getting warm and I wanted some light porch reading. They had zero actual magazines, the only written stuff was those "special editions" that cost like 12 bucks. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13827 on: May 22, 2021, 10:44:20 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13828 on: May 22, 2021, 12:24:22 PM »
The past 2 years have taught me that while I though many governors and congressional members were stupid, boy, they've got nothing on state legislatures and school board members.  
Not even concerning right or wrong, just f-ing stupid.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13829 on: May 22, 2021, 03:06:19 PM »
I'm with you on idiot school boards. With governors there's a vetting process (?) but with school boards do you even need to prove you're a parent? During my high school days the district I was attending accidentally elected to the school board a homeless man who was living in his car on school property.

My buddies and I knew who the guy was because we'd go goofing around the football field after hours. After a while we noticed a guy living in his Saturn, parked beneath the bleachers. Months later, still living in his car, we noticed his picture (long hair, unshaven) posted in the hallway along with rest of the current school board members.

Turns out he'd been showing up to meetings for the drinks and donuts. At some point he was nominated for a position (by default?). After election he lasted for a few months until the cops ran the plates of his illegally parked Saturn (beneath the football bleachers) which turned up an outstanding warrant for weapons charges filed by the county to our west. During his guilty plea the judge had a good laugh at his lawyers request for leniency due to his "devotion to the local community." To include illegally holding a spot on the school board.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13830 on: May 23, 2021, 10:49:31 AM »
So...

Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally | Fox News
Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally | Fox News


I'm not convinced either. 

Not even from the very beginning.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13831 on: May 23, 2021, 11:39:37 AM »
So...

Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally | Fox News
Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally | Fox News


I'm not convinced either.

Not even from the very beginning.
Fauci has lied so much since the start of this thing, he's twisted himself into a pretzel. 

It almost certainly came from a lab and was an accidental leak. It evolved through gain of function research. It wasn't "created" by humans like the bunk conspiracy theories the mainstream media tried to push and then shoot down. No serious person ever said it was created by humans from scratch or taking parts of this and splicing that. And that's not what gain of function research is anyway. They took a naturally occuring virus and turbocharged it's evolution in the lab through exposing it to different types of human cells and tissues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnY2OtnTOcA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLF4DUSXGs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pk0wLN5uuU&t=1s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0n3HZXLmo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhKlkkc2Eo

 

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