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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12656 on: February 23, 2021, 01:34:00 PM »
That's a good point to consider also.

We have a lot of things against us, as far as managing a pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12657 on: February 23, 2021, 03:12:43 PM »
That's a good point to consider also.

We have a lot of things against us, as far as managing a pandemic.
I’ve brought that up several times.  I find it hard to compare the US numbers to, honestly, any other country in the world.  No other nation on earth has the travel dynamic, both international and domestic, that we do.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12658 on: February 23, 2021, 04:25:40 PM »
I’ve brought that up several times.  I find it hard to compare the US numbers to, honestly, any other country in the world.  No other nation on earth has the travel dynamic, both international and domestic, that we do.
You can sort-of-compare the USA to a conglomeration of the top 5 most populous Western European countries.  But even then, they're able to close down travel across national borders in a way that we can't do here with respect to state borders. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12659 on: February 25, 2021, 09:10:35 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12660 on: February 25, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
Just got vaccine
Great

which vaccine was it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12661 on: February 25, 2021, 10:03:03 AM »
Pfizer.  Very well organized system this time, was administered by an RN.  They almost have too many people standing around directing folks, I bet the gummint is paying for it.  I know a lot of older folks are coming, but they don't need four people to direct you downstairs.

Had to sit 15 minutes after, zero pain or soreness.  So fahjehdjkcsjdvjdsx        svlfkd5344W&*(DJK

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12662 on: February 25, 2021, 10:27:39 AM »
Did someone invite you to be vaccinated or did you request it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12663 on: February 25, 2021, 10:28:30 AM »
The soreness is delayed, wait a couple of days.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12664 on: February 25, 2021, 10:34:39 AM »
Yep. 

From the experiences I've heard, the arm soreness is probably likely to start this evening or into tomorrow morning. Most people I've heard haven't had much in the way of other side effects from the first shot, but the second shot is where you're more likely to feel run down for a day or two.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12665 on: February 25, 2021, 10:39:39 AM »
I had been on the county waiting list, but I got an email from the hospital where I had my surgery in August and jumped on it.  The wife got hers at the county board of health and that place was a zoo, it was really bizarre, and a long drive.

I had to drive past it and do a U turn and then turn left and do a U turn and then wait in line, and they held cars up just asking why we were there when there was plenty of room in the parking lot.  Traffic was a total mess, for no reason.

The wife already had #2, had zero reaction, as did our neighbor.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12666 on: February 25, 2021, 10:56:10 AM »
The fact that we move around a lot between states is why it was stupid to leave covid things to the states to sort out to begin with.  It wasn't about WHO made that decision (indecision, really), but that it was stupid.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12667 on: February 25, 2021, 11:04:02 AM »
The fact that we move around a lot between states is why it was stupid to leave covid things to the states to sort out to begin with.  It wasn't about WHO made that decision (indecision, really), but that it was stupid.
There was no choice 
It had to be left to the states
How many times do we have to tell you that by law this is a state matter
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12668 on: February 25, 2021, 11:10:53 AM »
The fact that we move around a lot between states is why it was stupid to leave covid things to the states to sort out to begin with.  It wasn't about WHO made that decision (indecision, really), but that it was stupid.
It's a feature, or a bug, depending on your perspective, of our federal system. We leave most police powers and most emergency powers to the states. 

I'm not sure that many of the actions that you would want the federal government to take would be found Constitutional. There are instances where the federal government can assist, but often it requires the states to request their assistance, it cannot be forced.

Now, you may claim that a well-crafted response at the federal level, if the federal government HAD the powers you seek, would have made our response to COVID better. Maybe that's true; maybe it's not--after all, I'm not sure the person in charge of the executive branch last spring would have led a well-crafted response and I think you'd agree. But most of us who are in favor of the federal system we have would argue that giving that much power to the federal government would have a lot of other negative consequences in other areas, and possibly even with 500K dead from COVID, wouldn't be worth it. 

If government is benevolent and intelligent and possesses perfect information about everything, it's a wonderful thing to centralize everything. That would be utopia. But government is led by people, and people are neither universally benevolent nor intelligent nor possess perfect information. So we avoid centralizing everything, because that would be Soviet Russia or modern China. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12669 on: February 25, 2021, 11:13:55 AM »
It's a feature, or a bug, depending on your perspective, of our federal system. We leave most police powers and most emergency powers to the states.

I'm not sure that many of the actions that you would want the federal government to take would be found Constitutional. There are instances where the federal government can assist, but often it requires the states to request their assistance, it cannot be forced.

Now, you may claim that a well-crafted response at the federal level, if the federal government HAD the powers you seek, would have made our response to COVID better. Maybe that's true; maybe it's not--after all, I'm not sure the person in charge of the executive branch last spring would have led a well-crafted response and I think you'd agree. But most of us who are in favor of the federal system we have would argue that giving that much power to the federal government would have a lot of other negative consequences in other areas, and possibly even with 500K dead from COVID, wouldn't be worth it.

If government is benevolent and intelligent and possesses perfect information about everything, it's a wonderful thing to centralize everything. That would be utopia. But government is led by people, and people are neither universally benevolent nor intelligent nor possess perfect information. So we avoid centralizing everything, because that would be Soviet Russia or modern China.
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