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847badgerfan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12670 on: February 25, 2021, 11:23:59 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12671 on: February 25, 2021, 12:27:12 PM »
Sure, this.
Unless there's a pandemic, which knows no borders.  Then, we should be communist Russia until a date specified on a document.  
There's no good reason 500,000 have had to die (or 200,000 or 12,000 - depending how deeply you're down with conspiracy theories).  

But I get it.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12672 on: February 25, 2021, 12:29:55 PM »
I don't believe the numbers out of Russia.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12673 on: February 25, 2021, 12:32:13 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 25, 2021, 12:29:55 PM
I don't believe the numbers out of Russia.
Ah, well then, could I interest you in some CCP propaganda instead?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12674 on: February 25, 2021, 12:38:14 PM »
Sure. Iran too please.

Those countries are just so good at what they do.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12675 on: February 25, 2021, 01:05:50 PM »
Well they were ahead of the curve with the masks - they have that going for them

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12676 on: February 25, 2021, 03:00:08 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 25, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Sure, this.
Unless there's a pandemic, which knows no borders.  Then, we should be communist Russia until a date specified on a document. 
There's no good reason 500,000 have had to die (or 200,000 or 12,000 - depending how deeply you're down with conspiracy theories). 

But I get it. 
When you tell the feds that they get all kinds of crazy powers, but only in emergencies...

...we're going to have a lot more "emergencies". 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12677 on: February 26, 2021, 04:49:30 AM »
So, I had the Pfizer vaccine yesterday morning.  I drove home no problem.  Within an hour or so, I started to feel fatigued, very much like you feel when you realize you're getting sick.  I lay down in bed and read mostly and went to sleep around 9:30 PM, woke up at 3 AM.  I feel pretty normal now, for me.  I think this is a pretty typical reaction to Shot One.

The place I went was far better organized than where the wife went and they were running folks through probably 10-12 per minute.  I got a card that has the details on it including space on the back for Shot Two.

I read the J&J vaccine is about to be approved for E use.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12678 on: February 26, 2021, 10:17:25 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 04:49:30 AM
So, I had the Pfizer vaccine yesterday morning.  I drove home no problem.  Within an hour or so, I started to feel fatigued, very much like you feel when you realize you're getting sick.  I lay down in bed and read mostly and went to sleep around 9:30 PM, woke up at 3 AM.  I feel pretty normal now, for me.  I think this is a pretty typical reaction to Shot One.

The place I went was far better organized than where the wife went and they were running folks through probably 10-12 per minute.  I got a card that has the details on it including space on the back for Shot Two.

I read the J&J vaccine is about to be approved for E use.
This vaccine only requires 1 shot
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12679 on: February 26, 2021, 11:01:03 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on February 26, 2021, 10:17:25 AM
This vaccine only requires 1 shot
What I don't get is that it's also only estimated at 66% effective.

That's great if it's the only vaccine available, but with Pfizer and Moderna around at 90%+, I don't want to go near J&J.

Maybe J&J would be good for people who have already had confirmed cases of COVID, since they should have some natural immunity. Or for the absolute least vulnerable populations (the young and healthy). Or for low-income countries where it might be hard to supply Pfizer/Moderna and giving the entire population one dose rather than half the population two doses is an improvement...

But I want Pfizer or Moderna. How can I feel good about going out into the world with a 1/3 chance that the vaccine wasn't effective? 1 in 20 I can take. 1 in 3? No, give me the good stuff, Doc!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12680 on: February 26, 2021, 11:07:02 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 26, 2021, 11:01:03 AM
What I don't get is that it's also only estimated at 66% effective.

That's great if it's the only vaccine available, but with Pfizer and Moderna around at 90%+, I don't want to go near J&J.

Maybe J&J would be good for people who have already had confirmed cases of COVID, since they should have some natural immunity. Or for the absolute least vulnerable populations (the young and healthy). Or for low-income countries where it might be hard to supply Pfizer/Moderna and giving the entire population one dose rather than half the population two doses is an improvement...

But I want Pfizer or Moderna. How can I feel good about going out into the world with a 1/3 chance that the vaccine wasn't effective? 1 in 20 I can take. 1 in 3? No, give me the good stuff, Doc!
my exact thought also
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12681 on: February 26, 2021, 11:10:39 AM »
The J&J vaccine virtually eliminates hospitalizations, which is THE key goal.  It also was tested when variants were extant, it could be more effective had it been tested earlier.  They also are looking at providing a booster in 6 months or so of the J&J.  In the mean time, it's better than nothing, and really a LOT better than nothing.

If you get the J&J and contract COVID, you almost certainly will have a mild case.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12682 on: February 26, 2021, 11:15:32 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 11:10:39 AM
The J&J vaccine virtually eliminates hospitalizations, which is THE key goal.  It also was tested when variants were extant, it could be more effective had it been tested earlier.  They also are looking at providing a booster in 6 months or so of the J&J.  In the mean time, it's better than nothing, and really a LOT better than nothing.

If you get the J&J and contract COVID, you almost certainly will have a mild case.
I cant see why anyone would go with J&J when they will have the others available within the next 2 or 3 months

I wonder what 1 shot of the J&J plus 1 shot of the other vaccines would do
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12683 on: February 26, 2021, 11:16:07 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 11:10:39 AM
The J&J vaccine virtually eliminates hospitalizations, which is THE key goal. It also was tested when variants were extant, it could be more effective had it been tested earlier.  They also are looking at providing a booster in 6 months or so of the J&J.  In the mean time, it's better than nothing, and really a LOT better than nothing.

If you get the J&J and contract COVID, you almost certainly will have a mild case.
That's not MY goal.  That is-- theoretically-- the goal from a sheer public-good viewpoint.

But MY goal in getting a vaccine, is to then NOT get the disease, and take any chances that it's only a mild case. 

I do think the J&J would be good for the applications bwar pointed out-- the young and healthy, folks who've already had COVID, and poor/developing countries that lack the infrastructure to support the more stringent requirements involving storage and distribution of the Moderna and Pfizer shorts.
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