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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12390 on: February 08, 2021, 06:59:05 PM »
I understand that it is too early to call, but are we as a nation reporting and compiling this data?

as the months pass, we get more information
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12391 on: February 08, 2021, 07:03:45 PM »
I understand that it is too early to call, but are we as a nation reporting and compiling this data?

as the months pass, we get more information
Yes- everyone receiving the vaccine is actually part of a medical trial. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html

I guess it just depends on your politics. We criticize “ the masses” but just look at the confusing shit they are being fed.  That article is from September.  They have flopped 180 degrees.   Wonder why?   Lol
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12392 on: February 08, 2021, 07:09:28 PM »
I strongly dislike the national media
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12393 on: February 08, 2021, 07:30:46 PM »
I view the news media as a "for profit" operation, they sling hash for their audience and ignore what their audience won't want to hear.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12394 on: February 08, 2021, 07:31:09 PM »
do we have any data or number of people that have died or been hospitalized caused by the vaccine?

or are we discussing side affects such as a sore arm, headache, feeling lethargic?
There are a couple of cases of people who have died after the vaccine with strange circumstances. The most well known that I'm aware of is a doctor in Florida who suddenly had his platelet count drop to zero about 4 days after getting the vaccine and died not long thereafter. That's one of those freak reactions that nobody quite has a clue what caused it. 

They also monitor you for a minimum of 15 minutes after the vaccine for anaphylaxis. That is a rare but non-zero reaction. 

But... We've given 50M doses in this country and we're not hearing horror stories about deaths/hospitalizations. So as far as the short-term side effects, they don't seem to exist. 

Long term effects- which are unknown obviously.  Sterility, long term efficacy ( previous strains of Corona virus vaccine had some real issues- that’s why it never came to market). 

call it what it is at this early juncture- experimental. 
Really? Sterility? 

I mean, I've heard this crap before. Nobody has actually shown it happens. But very few things scare a childless woman of childbearing age more than the idea that she'll never have the ability to have children, so it's a remarkably phenomenal fear tactic.

Apparently it has to do with the idea that there is some very tiny similarity between a protein in the placenta and the spike protein of COVID...

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility

But as this article points out, if the vaccine could cause sterility (by virtue of encoding the body to reject the spike protein of COVID and therefore reject a placenta), then actually being infected with COVID would do the exact same thing

That said, multiple people in the COVID vaccine trial have become pregnant, so it doesn't appear that it has any effect. 

But go on spreading conspiracy theories. At least this one is more coherent than the idea that it's Bill Gates injecting microchips.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12395 on: February 08, 2021, 07:35:43 PM »
After the second vaccine, the wife now curses at me when she's mad, in French.

Is that a known side effect?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12396 on: February 08, 2021, 07:41:18 PM »
After the second vaccine, the wife now curses at me when she's mad, in French.

Is that a known side effect?
So far not here... But I was *really* nice to my wife over the weekend when she was going through everything.

If she suddenly starts speaking in tongues, I'll let you know!

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12397 on: February 08, 2021, 08:00:12 PM »
There are a couple of cases of people who have died after the vaccine with strange circumstances. The most well known that I'm aware of is a doctor in Florida who suddenly had his platelet count drop to zero about 4 days after getting the vaccine and died not long thereafter. That's one of those freak reactions that nobody quite has a clue what caused it.

They also monitor you for a minimum of 15 minutes after the vaccine for anaphylaxis. That is a rare but non-zero reaction.

But... We've given 50M doses in this country and we're not hearing horror stories about deaths/hospitalizations. So as far as the short-term side effects, they don't seem to exist.
Really? Sterility?

I mean, I've heard this crap before. Nobody has actually shown it happens. But very few things scare a childless woman of childbearing age more than the idea that she'll never have the ability to have children, so it's a remarkably phenomenal fear tactic.

Apparently it has to do with the idea that there is some very tiny similarity between a protein in the placenta and the spike protein of COVID...

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility

But as this article points out, if the vaccine could cause sterility (by virtue of encoding the body to reject the spike protein of COVID and therefore reject a placenta), then actually being infected with COVID would do the exact same thing.

That said, multiple people in the COVID vaccine trial have become pregnant, so it doesn't appear that it has any effect.

But go on spreading conspiracy theories. At least this one is more coherent than the idea that it's Bill Gates injecting microchips.
Why must you always be such a jack ass? What conspiracy theory did I spread? Can you guarantee me the long-term results of this vaccine will not impact sterility? Am I the one asking that question or is the medical community asking it?

you’re all the same -any idea that you don’t agree with is either “disinformation“ or conspiracy theory.

it is not at all unreasonable for a female who is in her 20s or 30s and perfectly healthy to feel that getting Covid has less risk than a vaccine with unknown long-term effects. That’s a personal decision but it’s not a conspiracy theory. 

The closest thing to a conspiracy theory in the last few pages of this thread is you declaring that the vaccine is less risky than the disease. Now that’s a conspiracy theory and completely true definition of disinformation. But you just keep on talking down to everybody else I know that’s what you all do. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12398 on: February 08, 2021, 08:13:39 PM »
so, are there past examples of vaccines that caused Sterility?  or other serious issues?  Hospitalizations or death?

I would think if there were, they would be spread around.

I haven't heard of any.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12399 on: February 08, 2021, 08:21:53 PM »
so, are there past examples of vaccines that caused Sterility?  or other serious issues?  Hospitalizations or death?

I would think if there were, they would be spread around.

I haven't heard of any.
Look no further than CNN article I posted up thread  There have been numerous mishaps in vaccine releases.    Why did Astra Zeneca vaccinate all those people- then stop?    It happens.

Bwar is correct in that there is no evidence that these vaccines cause fertility issues yet- and there may never be. ( there is no evidence John Wayne Gacy killed dozens of his victims, but he claims he did)

But that is completely missing my point.  Consumers in this country have been hearing conflicting, no extremely conflicting information from the same sources for so long that they have developed a miss trust of what they hear.  That’s why so many front line hospital workers were and are cautious at best about the vaccine, especially the females. The devil they know, Covid, has predictable levels of risk versus the devil they don’t know which they don’t know the risk yet. That does not make them ignorant, or conspiracy theorist, it just makes them on their own personal decisions based upon what information is available to them and how often that info has changed. 

of course all over the world, and hear on social media, those people are virtually attacked because they are taking personal responsibility and assessing the risk as they know it but those who don’t agree with them have to cancel them, attacked them, call them stupid, call them the masses, etc.  Just look at this thread for example.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12400 on: February 08, 2021, 08:45:01 PM »
all may be true

the folks I know that are against the idea of taking the shot are the least educated on the subject

I'm not an expert and most folks are not.  Most of what I know about the vaccine I've learned here and from reading articles that have been posted here.

the anti-vaccine folks I've talked to have not read one single article for or against

I've forwarded them some articles and asked them to research a bit, and this small bit of information has changed a few minds.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12401 on: February 08, 2021, 08:52:37 PM »
all may be true

the folks I know that are against the idea of taking the shot are the least educated on the subject

I'm not an expert and most folks are not.  Most of what I know about the vaccine I've learned here and from reading articles that have been posted here.

the anti-vaccine folks I've talked to have not read one single article for or against

I've forwarded them some articles and asked them to research a bit, and this small bit of information has changed a few minds.
I don’t know any “ anti - vaccine” people, if that’s a crowd publicly campaigning against it.

nearly everyone I have spoken to plans to get it/ but are apprehensive.  They have done their homework but don’t trust much of what is available by MSM, and social media as well as political figures.  They have seen nothing but hypocrisy, lies, flip flops and censorship

Thats really my point.    Can’t blame them. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12402 on: February 08, 2021, 09:03:41 PM »
Look no further than CNN article I posted up thread  There have been numerous mishaps in vaccine releases.    Why did Astra Zeneca vaccinate all those people- then stop?    It happens.


this doesn't appear to be a mishap or a problem with causing side effects.....  just not as effective as hoped.  And this vs the variant.

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South Africa has temporarily suspended its rollout of the AstraZeneca-Oxford University coronavirus vaccine after a small clinical trial revealed the shot provided only minimal protection from mild and moderate illness caused by the virus variant that is widely circulating in the country.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/08/965390228/why-south-africa-is-putting-the-astrozeneca-vaccine-on-hold

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WHO officials say they are confident that the shot will prevent serious illness and death from the new South African strain, despite a recent study

https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-defended-by-world-health-officials-11612821292
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this is the misinformation...  they suspended vaccinations, SO... it must be because the vaccine is dangerous.
people leap to this conclusion because... just reading Headlines and not reading the article
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12403 on: February 08, 2021, 09:10:55 PM »
this doesn't appear to be a mishap or a problem with causing side effects.....  just not as effective as hoped.  And this vs the variant.

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South Africa has temporarily suspended its rollout of the AstraZeneca-Oxford University coronavirus vaccine after a small clinical trial revealed the shot provided only minimal protection from mild and moderate illness caused by the virus variant that is widely circulating in the country.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/08/965390228/why-south-africa-is-putting-the-astrozeneca-vaccine-on-hold

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WHO officials say they are confident that the shot will prevent serious illness and death from the new South African strain, despite a recent study

https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-defended-by-world-health-officials-11612821292
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this is the misinformation...  they suspended vaccinations, SO... it must be because the vaccine is dangerous.
people leap to this conclusion because... just reading Headlines and not reading the article
That’s not disinformation.  If people read it, they are free to interpret how it effects them. If they don’t read it- that’s their choice. 

people have read that the Astra vaccine MAY slow the spread.  That’s exciting.  If they now want to hold off until there is better efficacy for the variant strain- that’s a reasonable conclusion. 
it’s not a conspiracy.  It’s not disinformation.  It not going agains science.  It is their personal choice based on the information they have.
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