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There is a lot of distrust of "the media" and politicians these days, even purported "medical experts".  And there isn't much effort, often as not, to delve into an area that gets technical quickly and sort things out.

That's why one must sift and winnow, to find the truth.

Meanwhile, the WHO says the virus didn't originate in a lab. Of course, fox in hen house.

WHO drops investigation into whether COVID-19 virus leaked from Wuhan lab, calling theory unlikely | Fox News

an example..........  I'll defer to the chemists to decide if the amount of lye in this water may have been, "Poisonous"


In Florida city, a hacker tried to poison the drinking water

A hacker gained entry to the system controlling the water treatment plant of a Florida city of 15,000 and tried to taint the water supply with a caustic chemical, exposing a danger cybersecurity experts say has grown as systems become both more computerized and accessible via the internet.

The hacker who breached the system at the city of Oldsmar’s water treatment plant on Friday using a remote access program shared by plant workers briefly increased the amount of sodium hydroxide by a factor of one hundred (from 100 parts per million to 11,100 parts per million), Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference Monday.


Sodium hydroxide, also called lye, is used to treat water acidity but the compound is also found in cleaning supplies such as soaps and drain cleaners. It can cause irritation, burns and other complications in larger quantities.

Fortunately, a supervisor saw the chemical being tampered with — as a mouse controlled by the intruder moved across the screen changing settings — and was able to intervene and immediately reverse it, Gualtieri said. Oldsmar is about 15 miles (25 kilometers) northwest of Tampa.

Gualtieri said the public was never in danger.

But he did say the intruder took “the sodium hydroxide up to dangerous levels.”


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Poison was the term used last night as the tease on ABC World News

I'm guessing that Lutefisk has a much higher concentration of lye

Why must you always be such a jack ass? What conspiracy theory did I spread? Can you guarantee me the long-term results of this vaccine will not impact sterility? Am I the one asking that question or is the medical community asking it?

you’re all the same -any idea that you don’t agree with is either “disinformation“ or conspiracy theory.

it is not at all unreasonable for a female who is in her 20s or 30s and perfectly healthy to feel that getting Covid has less risk than a vaccine with unknown long-term effects. That’s a personal decision but it’s not a conspiracy theory. 

The closest thing to a conspiracy theory in the last few pages of this thread is you declaring that the vaccine is less risky than the disease. Now that’s a conspiracy theory and completely true definition of disinformation. But you just keep on talking down to everybody else I know that’s what you all do. 

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, and if that was the tone, I apologize. 

I was frustrated because I had heard the fear of sterility before, and it took all of 5 minutes to do a google search, recognize where that fear came from, and understand via the WebMD article why it's unfounded. 

I can't prove it won't cause sterility, but the causative mechanism (similarity between genetic encoding of spike protein between COVID / COVID vaccine / placenta) proposed doesn't justify the fear. Because if encoding for the spike protein caused the body to reject the placenta, that should cause an immune response in women who have also had COVID, not just those who have had the vaccine. In addition, some of the members of the early vaccine trials became pregnant after receiving the vaccine, so there are known counterexamples to the sterility hypothesis.

Even then, I'll support that woman in her 20s or 30s making her own choice. My hope is that she will make her own choice after actually researching it rather than reading memes on Facebook. My fear is that it will be "I heard from this guy who read about a doctor on Facebook that said the vaccine leads to sterility, so I'm not gonna take that!"

I'm not saying that people must take the vaccine. What I'm saying is that there is information out there to make it possible to make an informed decision on the vaccine, and my conjecture is that "the masses" aren't even coming close to making use of that information to make an informed and rational decision either way. 

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, and if that was the tone, I apologize.

I was frustrated because I had heard the fear of sterility before, and it took all of 5 minutes to do a google search, recognize where that fear came from, and understand via the WebMD article why it's unfounded.

I can't prove it won't cause sterility, but the causative mechanism (similarity between genetic encoding of spike protein between COVID / COVID vaccine / placenta) proposed doesn't justify the fear. Because if encoding for the spike protein caused the body to reject the placenta, that should cause an immune response in women who have also had COVID, not just those who have had the vaccine. In addition, some of the members of the early vaccine trials became pregnant after receiving the vaccine, so there are known counterexamples to the sterility hypothesis.

Even then, I'll support that woman in her 20s or 30s making her own choice. My hope is that she will make her own choice after actually researching it rather than reading memes on Facebook. My fear is that it will be "I heard from this guy who read about a doctor on Facebook that said the vaccine leads to sterility, so I'm not gonna take that!"

I'm not saying that people must take the vaccine. What I'm saying is that there is information out there to make it possible to make an informed decision on the vaccine, and my conjecture is that "the masses" aren't even coming close to making use of that information to make an informed and rational decision either way.

Fair.  I apologize for over reacting.  You are one of the most informative folks that post here- so I was not expecting a conspiracy accusation. 

I agree with your entire post here. 

Ironically I just got home from getting my haircut -all six of them.  The younger girl who cuts my hair is about 30-ish with two small children.  She actually brought up the topic totally unsolicited by me and remarked  “ I don’t think I’m going to get the vaccine at least not right now “.

so naturally I said well tell me why you feel that way, what have you read what have you heard?
her answer was not bad. She said she really hasn’t heard anything negative about it other than she read that they don’t necessarily recommend it for people with severe allergies. She just felt that it’s a new vaccine and we have had all these other diseases around for years with no vaccine or no cure- and that she wanted to see longer-term what was going on. She also mentioned that she already had Covid as had most of her friends and none of them had any serious problems with it.

That was really all I was trying to say is that it’s not unreasonable for people to think like that without having been provided any false information and even with having read results so far.

She also mentioned that her grandfather who is about 75 and has additional health issues had gotten the vaccine and she was really happy that he did.