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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10528 on: November 12, 2020, 03:06:43 PM »
I agree, that's my point.

many folks think they are very safe if they and folks near them are wearing masks

I don't think so

I think the message should be to social distance, because masks are an imperfect and partial solution

but, that's not the message
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10529 on: November 12, 2020, 03:08:34 PM »
The "message" gets garbled, often, and widely, sometimes for political reasons.

It seems logical to me to stay away from others when a respiratory virus is spreading and wear a mask as a last resort.

For me, it's habitual now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10530 on: November 12, 2020, 03:25:04 PM »
In cities worldwide, coronavirus outbreaks have been linked to restaurants, cafes and gyms. 
Good,so no Bars?Mr Beam's Elixir just might be working
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10531 on: November 12, 2020, 03:31:40 PM »
75,557 tests
5,534 positive
7.3%

Florida continues to be OK compared to some. Hospitalizations continue to trend down, along with the average age for positive cases.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10532 on: November 12, 2020, 03:37:18 PM »
I attended a wedding reception a few weeks ago...

showed up late, ate the meal, had a couple beers and left early

tried not to get too close to anyone
Man your getting old,weddings were the best place to pick up weepy,forlorn,single,sentimental women....or so I've been told
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10533 on: November 12, 2020, 03:38:55 PM »
I'm old enough that I no longer chase women

that's derned old
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« Reply #10534 on: November 12, 2020, 04:45:40 PM »
I'm old enough that I no longer chase women
Well that's when they all get interested,the fact you ignore them comes off as confident and self assured.One just might snap you up before some Jezebel get her grubby mitts on you.Unless of course you've switched teams - not that there's anything wrong with that
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10535 on: November 12, 2020, 05:28:27 PM »
I'm old enough that I no longer chase women

that's derned old
either that or they stopped chasing you
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10536 on: November 12, 2020, 06:18:25 PM »
Good,so no Bars?Mr Beam's Elixir just might be working
Mr. Beam's elixer may be working, but one reason why bars are being closed at 10 PM is that contact tracers, such as they are, keep coming up with late nights at crowded bars as a main transmission vector.

Also, high school sports schedules are being gutted right now. Many schools in the area have so many quarantines that they can't staff the building, and are going back to full distance learning. Other than one district, most are ending all sports seasons through the Christmas break. The one district (a large one in suburban MSP) that didn't caught so much heat from helicopter parents after cancelling that they had a special meeting to re-instate them.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10537 on: November 12, 2020, 06:34:02 PM »
One of the schools for my kids (the charter) just said today that if Orange County gets put back into the most restrictive tier, it does not mean they're forced back to distance learning. And that campus, despite having a couple of self-quarantines that I know of for possible exposure, has no confirmed cases at this time. 

I don't know what the public district will do if we go back into that tier.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10538 on: November 12, 2020, 06:39:17 PM »
I agree, that's my point.

many folks think they are very safe if they and folks near them are wearing masks

I don't think so

I think the message should be to social distance, because masks are an imperfect and partial solution

but, that's not the message
I personally think that when people are wearing masks it's pretty darn safe. 

The CDC just said that masks don't just protect bystanders from the wearer, but do offer some protection to the wearer from bystanders. 

But masks don't do squat if you take them off around your friends and [non-household] family because hey, they must be safe, right? 

Instead, we're talking about locking down restaurants again instead of telling people to go to restaurants only with members of their own household. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10539 on: November 12, 2020, 06:57:25 PM »
I personally think that when people are wearing masks it's pretty darn safe.

The CDC just said that masks don't just protect bystanders from the wearer, but do offer some protection to the wearer from bystanders.

But masks don't do squat if you take them off around your friends and [non-household] family because hey, they must be safe, right?

Instead, we're talking about locking down restaurants again instead of telling people to go to restaurants only with members of their own household.

I get what you're saying, and mostly agree, but you and I are coming at it from the perspective of married folks with kids.  Our only social life is to be around our spouses, and our kids.  So going to a restaurant with only our own household is natural and easy and the norm.

When unmarried folks without kids go to restaurants, they are-- nearly inevitably and almost by definition-- going there with people that are NOT members of their own household.  So to them, what you're suggesting, is absolutely zero social life.  And, that actually sort of worked for 6-8 months depending on where you live.  But at this point, you'd be telling them they're just not allowed to live a non-solitary life.  And after a half a year of doing largely that, it's just not something they're willing to continue doing.  And I can't blame them one bit.

What we're doing isn't working.  Blaming people for being selfish a-holes or whatever, isn't going to solve the problem.

It's time to actually start thinking about real solutions.  Living largely isolated lives isn't sustainable and therefore it's not a viable solution.

Time to think harder about what the actual threats are, and how to minimize them.  

I've already suggested mandating improved filtration and ventilation in inside locations.  It would be expensive for sure, but is it better than going out of business?  For a lot of companies, yes, definitely.  That's just one thing, but we need to stop thinking about this as a social issue because we can't possibly fix it that way.  We need to start applying our vast resources in equipment technology, and process flow knowledge, and other unexplored areas, to develop realistic solutions.

Because we can't fix the social ones.  It's not working.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10540 on: November 12, 2020, 07:06:23 PM »
I get what you're saying, and mostly agree, but you and I are coming at it from the perspective of married folks with kids.  Our only social life is to be around our spouses, and our kids.  So going to a restaurant with only our own household is natural and easy and the norm.

When unmarried folks without kids go to restaurants, they are-- nearly inevitably and almost by definition-- going there with people that are NOT members of their own household.  So to them, what you're suggesting, is absolutely zero social life.  And, that actually sort of worked for 6-8 months depending on where you live.  But at this point, you'd be telling them they're just not allowed to live a non-solitary life.  And after a half a year of doing largely that, it's just not something they're willing to continue doing.  And I can't blame them one bit.

What we're doing isn't working.  Blaming people for being selfish a-holes or whatever, isn't going to solve the problem.

It's time to actually start thinking about real solutions.  Living largely isolated lives isn't sustainable and therefore it's not a viable solution.

Time to think harder about what the actual threats are, and how to minimize them. 

I've already suggested mandating improved filtration and ventilation in inside locations.  It would be expensive for sure, but is it better than going out of business?  For a lot of companies, yes, definitely.  That's just one thing, but we need to stop thinking about this as a social issue because we can't possibly fix it that way.  We need to start applying our vast resources in equipment technology, and process flow knowledge, and other unexplored areas, to develop realistic solutions.

Because we can't fix the social ones.  It's not working.
Bear in mind, I'm only a married dude with kids 40% of the time. The rest, we're a childless couple with family and friends that we want to see lol.

I'm guilty. In the past several weeks I've seen my brother and his wife (outdoor restaurant), my in-laws (outdoor patio brewery), my brother and his family, with my kids (at their house, indoor/outdoor mix but mostly indoor), and I'm seeing my in-laws and their best friends Saturday (at the in-laws' house, probably mostly indoor).

Does that make me a selfish a-hole? I don't know. Probably.

But I think the entire message is wrong. The message SHOULD be shaming me for what I've done over the past couple of weeks and will continue doing over the next few weeks. The message SHOULD be shaming those who are going to have big Thanksgiving feasts.

But instead we're talking about shutting down restaurants.

We're going to screw the economy and it's not going to make a damn bit of difference to spread.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10541 on: November 12, 2020, 07:19:29 PM »
I like that the contract tracing is becoming a big deal

that can possibly stem the tide if used properly

may be our only hope
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