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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9450 on: October 18, 2020, 03:29:42 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 18, 2020, 08:50:29 AM
I'm pretty sure most contagion is from oral spewing.


Shit, now we have to stop spewing orally?!?  From my cold, dead mouth.....
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9451 on: October 18, 2020, 03:36:31 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Actually, I believe I said it's so they can ignore the inevitable assistance services and programs they'll need by cutting them back and thus having a larger poor class to rule over.  But maybe it's just semantics.
what programs have been cut back
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9452 on: October 18, 2020, 04:01:18 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
Shit, now we have to stop spewing orally?!?  From my cold, dead mouth.....
Could be worse. At least it’s not anal spewage.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9453 on: October 18, 2020, 04:31:09 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Actually, I believe I said it's so they can ignore the inevitable assistance services and programs they'll need by cutting them back and thus having a larger poor class to rule over.  But maybe it's just semantics.
 Maybe because it's seagulls have come out the otherside of jet engines making more sense.A pathetic mentality is still pathetic regardless of how you try to justify it.It is impossible to "refute" your pre-conceived notions because of its faulty,deranged premise
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9454 on: October 18, 2020, 05:01:00 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 18, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
Maybe because it's seagulls have come out the otherside of jet engines making more sense.A pathetic mentality is still pathetic regardless of how you try to justify it.It is impossible to "refute" your pre-conceived notions because of its faulty,deranged premise
'Scuse me if you disagree.
I know that the party I'm criticizing is your party, but it doesn't make the content deranged.  

One party wants to end a woman's choice to have an abortion.
It's not my fault that the same party wants fewer social assistance programs for those in need (ie - those who birth unwanted/unplanned/impoverished children).

Yes, I see that you find those two truths to be inconvenient and make that particular party seem monstrous, but it's quite plain to see.  Your party wants one thing and wants to limit the other and fails to see that they're obviously intertwined.  

I suppose I'd be bitchy if my tribe wanted something like higher speed limits AND to remove airbags from cars.  Talk about deranged.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9455 on: October 18, 2020, 05:11:11 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on October 18, 2020, 03:36:31 PM
what programs have been cut back
To be fair to me, my statement was predictive, so asking for what's been cut back is nonsensical.  

But in good faith and answering what you mean, just research Trump's proposed budgets for your answer.  Restrict assistance eligibility and slash the budget for it.  Pretty ho-hum and direct.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9456 on: October 18, 2020, 05:25:23 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 03:27:36 PM
Stick to the topic of beating the virus without mentioning politics, 2 weeks before a presidential election, in which the incumbent has virtually ignored the virus?
I think it very possible to discuss what we see and think about COVID spread  without trying to use it as a political hammer.

As I say, Europe now is in bad shape as well, worse than the US per capita in terms of new cases, so it could be this would have been bad even with perfect leadership on this side of the ocean.  But I realize some are so consumed with using political hammers, or trying to, they can't pass up any opportunity.

What would perfect policy have comprised, I keep asking, what would it be today?

I don't know.  I hesitate to criticize without offer specifics as to how I think it should have been done differently, and I try and avoid the usual political talking points.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9457 on: October 18, 2020, 05:31:04 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 18, 2020, 05:25:23 PM
I think it very possible to discuss what we see and think about COVID spread  without trying to use it as a political hammer.
I suggest politics is intertwined in the discussion, and you use the phrase "political hammer."  Is good-faith honesty just forbidden on this board?!???


I'll make the RADICAL, overtly POLITICAL leap and suggest that cautious, responsible leadership from the president FROM THE START would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

Radical me.  Liberal me.  How dare I.  How dare I make such a banal, obvious statement.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9458 on: October 18, 2020, 05:42:16 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
I suggest politics is intertwined in the discussion, and you use the phrase "political hammer."  Is good-faith honesty just forbidden on this board?!???


I'll make the RADICAL, overtly POLITICAL leap and suggest that cautious, responsible leadership from the president FROM THE START would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

Radical me.  Liberal me.  How dare I.  How dare I make such a banal, obvious statement.
what actions should Trump have taken that would have improved the situation

what would you have done differently
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9459 on: October 18, 2020, 05:48:42 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on October 18, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
what actions should Trump have taken that would have improved the situation

what would you have done differently
you can't reason with a moron.

Literally the ONLY way this thing would've been eradicated was if travel bans to China and Europe were instituted a couple months earlier than they were and if the US was on extreme forced lockdowns and martial law for like 8 weeks straight. And that's like so extreme no one is allowed to leave the house at all for no reason whatsoever.

Neither of those things were obviously going to happen no matter who was president. This is a country with 50 independent states with their own governors and state legislatures & courts and local govt's. The President isn't an emperor or a dictator. He doesn't have the kind of powers OAM apparently wishes a President should have. Thank god for that that a President doesn't have those sort of powers by the way.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9460 on: October 18, 2020, 05:55:27 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
I'll make the RADICAL, overtly POLITICAL leap and suggest that cautious, responsible leadership from the president FROM THE START would have saved tens of thousands of lives.
How would "responsible leadership" have acted differently?  Be specific, not just generalizations like "they would not have hidden or downplayed the threat".

Do they have such responsible leadership in Italy, Spain, Belgium, France, the UK?

And in Sweden, do they have it?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9461 on: October 18, 2020, 05:57:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 05:01:00 PM
'Scuse me if you disagree.
I know that the party I'm criticizing is your party, but it doesn't make the content deranged. 

One party wants to end a woman's choice to have an abortion.
It's not my fault that the same party wants fewer social assistance programs for those in need (ie - those who birth unwanted/unplanned/impoverished children).

Yes, I see that you find those two truths to be inconvenient and make that particular party seem monstrous, but it's quite plain to see.  Your party wants one thing and wants to limit the other and fails to see that they're obviously intertwined. 

I suppose I'd be bitchy if my tribe wanted something like higher speed limits AND to remove airbags from cars.  Talk about deranged. 
You helpless hound wouldn't recognize the truth if it blew up in your face and circled around and bit you in your ample backside.You've lampooned anyone who mentions hope or faith like it is an alien concept because your totally bereft of either

  I don't give a shit about politics it's your bent twisted narrative and your seething grievance with everyone about anything.You're angry for being born.It's a good thing you live out where the buses don't run or you may influence the innocent or get curbstomped by the vindictive.You turn assinine assumptions into astute observations with perfect regularity.Just take your glowing insight,Ouija Board and pitch your carnival tent elswhere,i promise we will weep,wail,pound our chests and rue the day in your absence

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9462 on: October 18, 2020, 05:58:52 PM »
no political system or political leader worldwide has been able to defeat the virus, except for a couple exceptions.  no not Sweden.  Perhaps Australia, an island nation.

washing hands, social distancing, wearing masks, hoarding toilet paper, and other attempts haven't defeated the virus

the doctors and scientists haven't offered better options, worldwide

I feel recent spikes around the globe are caused by asymptomatic children and young people going back to class and the masses just being tired of staying home after 7 months and venturing out more.

Heck, Cincy even took a short driving trip to NC.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9463 on: October 18, 2020, 06:02:02 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 18, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
you can't reason with a moron.

Literally the ONLY way this thing would've been eradicated was if travel bans to China and Europe were instituted a couple months earlier than they were and if the US was on extreme forced lockdowns and martial law for like 8 weeks straight. And that's like so extreme no one is allowed to leave the house at all for no reason whatsoever.

Neither of those things were obviously going to happen no matter who was president. This is a country with 50 independent states with their own governors and state legislatures & courts and local govt's. The President isn't an emperor or a dictator. He doesn't have the kind of powers OAM apparently wishes a President should have. Thank god for that that a President doesn't have those sort of powers by the way.
Bingo!   Add to that “ science that tells you one week to wear a mask, and the next week not to. Add to that the political motivations of killing the economy for political gain, and a MSM that wants nothing more than to leverage the pandemic for political outcomes. Add to that the hypocrisy of the party not in the Oval Office and the MSM to encourage at most, or ignore at least, massive demonstrations during the pandemic that obviously contributed to the spread. Add to that the complete mismanagement of patients being moved into nursing homes with COVID, which directly led to thousands of avoidable deaths, and is widely ignored by the MSM.

it is clear this is all political.   We have over 7.5 Million people who have contracted this disease, and survived. And there are estimates that number may be exponentially higher.   When I see the vocal Dems not wearing masks when they are off camera ( or think they are)
and what the MSM covers and doesn’t cover, the credibility off all of this goes right out the window.  I don’t believe much of what any of them has to say.
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