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Again, there's little evidence, at least so far, that school closings do much if anything to stop the spread.

Maybe the evidence is incomplete. But you claim to follow the evidence and science, so it seems, well, ideological to see you ignore or throw out any evidence which doesn't fit your priors...

I don't recall claiming school closings would do anything to stop the spread.  Inadvertent strawman?

Anyway, I'd prefer in-person school.  But these aren't just stats.  I don't want 1 of 1,000 students to die or whatever it would be.  I don't want 4 families from my school to lose grandparents because they resumed in-person school.  While a return to school may not even grow the spread, if it continues it, how can we do it?  

Several school districts here in AZ have already released notices that they'll do online-only school for the first quarter, to October 2nd.  This is probably due to AZ having the highest case-increase % in the world.  Worse than NYC ever was.  I hate online teaching, but it's happening.

I don't recall claiming school closings would do anything to stop the spread.  Inadvertent strawman?

Anyway, I'd prefer in-person school.  But these aren't just stats.  I don't want 1 of 1,000 students to die or whatever it would be.  I don't want 4 families from my school to lose grandparents because they resumed in-person school.  While a return to school may not even grow the spread, if it continues it, how can we do it? 

Several school districts here in AZ have already released notices that they'll do online-only school for the first quarter, to October 2nd.  This is probably due to AZ having the highest case-increase % in the world.  Worse than NYC ever was.  I hate online teaching, but it's happening.

I'm pretty frustrated with all of this. If the president could say things like "look, we support a return to school. It can lead to more spread of the disease, but that effect appears to be mild and the disease has little effect on children." People can operate with that. Instead it's a never ending parade of gobbledygook.

It's not just about the children.  The children are surrounded by high-risk adults 24/7 - family at home, teachers, paraprofessionals, janitors, cafeteria staff, etc.  These mildly-affected carriers (children) are going to ransack the adults on campus and at home, guaranteed.  And instead of a sick teacher out for 1-3 days like with a normal illness, it's 2 weeks of quarantine, so substitute teachers (who trend older in the first place) will run out, and then what?

It's like the upcoming baseball and football seasons will be:  an utter shit-show, no matter what safety measures are put in place.

I mean yes, that is true. But if the data shows that overall effect is mild, I think we can say having school is worth the extra risk. My frustration is with the going to school or not, it's with these either/or scenarios. Going to school has a value. At some point we need leaders courageous enough to say this is the plan and these are the risks instead of this stupid "you must be afraid/there is nothing to fear" dichotomies.

Talk about blind stupidity

So you're FOR withholding funds from school districts that begin their year online?  

I don’t think it’s the media this time.  This has been handled terribly and we are doing worse than nearly every other country out there.

you can be a republican and still admit they aren’t perfect. 😁

Let me add, when you run a Very large city in a very liberal way by allowing it to be a sanctuary city where people are living on top of each other, and then on top of that you are warned in writing of the urgent need to be prepared for a pandemic and you blatantly disregard that and spend the money needed on other things. What do you expect is going to happen? You can trace that exact situation to the highest number of deaths In this entire fiasco. And then when you send sick people to live in nursing homes and you caused thousands of more days but the press treat you like God well there you have it. 

Then you spend months chastising people for not isolating and doing weird things like going to church. Then win millions of people take to the streets you don’t chastise them you blatantly encourage it. Well guess what many young people in this country don’t follow any individual political ideology and they get a lot of their news and influence from the media. And when the media basically send you the strongest message yet but it’s OK to get back out there do you not think there’s going to be spikes after that.  Then you spend months chastising people for not isolating and doing weird things like going to church. Then when millions of people take to the streets you don’t chastise them you blatantly encourage it. Well guess what many young people in this country don’t follow any individual political ideology and they get a lot of their news and influence from the media. And when the media basically send you the strongest message yet but it’s OK to get back out there do you not think there’s going to be spikes after that.

Well said. But I would add that the media has thrown even more gas on the fire in their blind hatred. 

I suppose if He had said early on "this is serious, America, let's do everything we can to defeat it" the media might have attacked Him for overreacting. And then He would have had the last laugh.

Instead He is now the butt of the jokes. 

You're leaving out a national policy set forth that is a GOOD idea.  Why did you exclude that?  A national, PRUDENT call.  Something thoughtful and sound.  An idea that isn't blindly partisan and is solely, ultimately for his future re-election.

Oh, now I see. If it is a policy YOU agree with.  Got it.  

do you know what the national polling on this issue says?    It says that the majority agree with the intended outcome of his policy. Now granted, When you pull it specifically coming from him people who actually agree with it will disapprove because it’s coming from him because that’s what the media tells them they should be doing but all of the pulling on this has been very in line with him to this point.