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I think "we" could bring China to its knees economically, as was in progress until this virus was unleashed upon us.

I don't believe for a minute that this thing wasn't spread intentionally, starting in Italy - one of the most traveled-to countries in the World.

Of course, I don't trust China, I've never trusted China, and I never will trust China. Hence, my potential bias.

CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%. 

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy. 

CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%.

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy.

Something like 300,000 Chinese workers in the Italian textile industries in/near Milan.

If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries.


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.

Chances are good they possess the ability to reach us with WMDs. 

Would they incinerate a few west coast cities? Considering how they treat their own folks, not a bad chance of it. 

Also, never get into a land war in Asia. We couldn't avoid long, bloody stalemates in countries far smaller. Now there's a chance that hierarchy is rickey enough it would come apart, but the cost of being wrong would be extremely high. 

Chances are good they possess the ability to reach us with WMDs.

Would they incinerate a few west coast cities? Considering how they treat their own folks, not a bad chance of it.

Also, never get into a land war in Asia. We couldn't avoid long, bloody stalemates in countries far smaller. Now there's a chance that hierarchy is rickey enough it would come apart, but the cost of being wrong would be extremely high.

Good is not a promise.

As I said, if their weapons work like most of the shit they sell to the world, we have no issues. Their garbage will be in the ocean (well, it is already, in the plastic form) before it gets half way to Hawaii.

I don't disagree with the general sentiment that we need to move manufacturing out of China, but it's not a question of corporate greed, but rather an issue of corporate survival--  and it's the American consumer that's to blame.

Do you think American consumers will buy Dell or HP computers that cost 30% more than their Lenovo counterparts?  Do you think they'll buy the $500 Dell laptop, or the identically-spec'd $350 Lenovo one?

You don't have to answer that one, we've already tested the hypothesis and verified the conclusion in real life.  American consumers only "buy American" if it's priced the same.

You’re kind of proving my point for me brother. Lenovo was NOT a serious player at all in the US or European PC market AT ALL until it was gifted tech/name brand recognition by a stupid American company. Lenovo was a piss ant that bought IBM’s PC business and that IMMEDIATELY put them on the map. 

Chinese companies never made viable pc computers before then. Chinese companies really didn’t make anything of value. China was a poor backwater shithole before American multinationals started moving in beginning in the 80s. The Chinese didn’t have the technology to make jackshit. It was GREED from soulless lifeless American corporations that set up shop in China to exploit cheap labor and not have an EPA to deal with in order to make more and more money. And in order to gain access these dumbass US multinationals WILLINGLY gave up their trade secrets/tech/ip to China. 

Apple very easily could’ve made their products here, charged the same amount of money for them, people still would’ve bought them by the shitloads and maybe they’d have accumulated $80 billion or $100 billion in cash instead of the TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY billion in CASH they had at one point. That’s nothing but greed. They produce there for one reason and one reasons only- it’s cheaper and they make more money by producing there. 

Apple has spent about $175 billion on stock buybacks. Imagine if they had spent that money investing in American factories and jobs. 

CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%.

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy.

Maybe the spread has the most to do with the fact that this thing spreads like freakin' crazy. 

Even in Italy, where they've instituted lockdowns for basically 3 weeks, all they can do is get the spread to go from exponential growth to linear growth. 

Sure, the CCP tried to hide this. But I don't think they had any chance of stopping it. 

... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out. 

That is not free markets lol. Free market doesn’t exist here and it sure as hell doesn’t exist in China. 

Khaki pants being made in China is not a big deal. If that’s as far as production moving to China ever went, then China would be nothing more than a bigger, more successful Vietnam.

It’s the high-tech/medical equipment/pharmaceuticals/chemicals/vehicles/battery tech/solar - all the IMPORTANT shit you know- that’s ALL based on AMERICAN TECH/IP that’s the problem.