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ELA

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #910 on: April 01, 2020, 05:05:51 PM »
You can move them, I've done it

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #911 on: April 01, 2020, 05:18:51 PM »
I told my brother this morning that we need to beat this virus, and then declare war on China.

Good rant.
Agreed. But the mainstream media and the dems seem to be the propaganda arm of the CCP. It absolutely blows me away. And sadly most people in this country are mindless sheep. I hate to say it but it’s true. 

China would be nothing if it weren’t for US multinationals setting up shop there to exploit cheap labor. Nothing. And our stupid government allowed it to happen. And the dumbass execs running these companies willingly agreed to enter into CCP backed joint ventures and voluntarily transfer over trade secrets, tech, and ip. What was China before the US? Nothing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #912 on: April 01, 2020, 05:25:20 PM »
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #913 on: April 01, 2020, 05:37:49 PM »
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time.

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Not sure it’d be much of a world war. Who would even side with China? Russia, Venezuela, and Iran? Lol.

The rest of the entire world would align with the US against China. 

I don’t think it’d be a very long war. And honestly wouldn’t be a bad thing for the world to bring China to it’s knees get rid of the CCP once and for all.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #914 on: April 01, 2020, 05:51:49 PM »
I think "we" could bring China to its knees economically, as was in progress until this virus was unleashed upon us.

I don't believe for a minute that this thing wasn't spread intentionally, starting in Italy - one of the most traveled-to countries in the World.

Of course, I don't trust China, I've never trusted China, and I never will trust China. Hence, my potential bias.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #915 on: April 01, 2020, 05:56:26 PM »
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change? 

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...

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« Reply #916 on: April 01, 2020, 05:59:17 PM »
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change?

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...

If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries. 


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #917 on: April 01, 2020, 06:04:40 PM »
It's not a military war.

It's an economic war.  And we've been in it for more than a couple of decades.

Status Report?  They're beating the crap out of us, right now-- and that's largely because a majority in our country don't even realize we're in a war.

But I think this is opening some eyes.  It'll start with revamping our emergency supply chain.  Medications, medical equipment, sensitive technical equipment, etc. We'll have no choice but to push that to more domestic production.

And then as the enemy fights back against us on THOSE fronts, more people will begin to understand the nature, and the extent, of this war.

Just imagine investing all of that capital into Mexico and Latin America, rather than overseas.  Not only would it cripple the enemy, but it could significantly enhance the quality of life to our neighbors to the south, diminishing their suffering which would ultimately help them become independent and less likely to overwhelm our own national resources.  That part won't be easy at all of course.  But it has to start somewhere.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #918 on: April 01, 2020, 06:08:50 PM »
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change?

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...
Basically do the opposite of the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Smash them up, topple the government and then leave. No need to try to conquer them and occupy them for years and force a government down their throats. That never works. 

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« Reply #919 on: April 01, 2020, 06:13:15 PM »
From what I understand, companies are already trying to leave China. And not because of the current administration's trade policies [although that had an effect].

China is barely even considered a low cost country [LCC] any more... Now they're too close to the first world to be cheap.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #920 on: April 01, 2020, 06:14:36 PM »
If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries.


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.
Don’t have to sell them technology- the dirty f’ers steal tech and ip like you wouldn’t believe.

And so many of our stupid ass corporations willingly set up brand new joint venture CCP backed companies and WILLINGLY transferred tech and ip in order to set up production facilities over there. Boeing, GM, Honeywell, GE, etc..

As far as I can tell though US weapons manufacturers aren’t over there. I could be wrong on that don’t quote me. Doesn’t really matter if they aren’t, because China operates the largest espionage ring aimed the US in the entire world. 

Their sole aim is to overthrow the US as the worlds power and they will do anything and everything they can to make that happen. US needs to fight back and fight back dirty. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #921 on: April 01, 2020, 06:19:40 PM »
From what I understand, companies are already trying to leave China. And not because of the current administration's trade policies [although that had an effect].

China is barely even considered a low cost country [LCC] any more... Now they're too close to the first world to be cheap.
Doesn’t matter if they want to leave or not. It’s still cheaper for them to produce in China than it is in the US. Even with the tarrifs and wage increases. And these soulless, lifeless mega US multinationals care about nothing more than the bottom line period. The people running them have sold out their own country all in the name of the almighty dollar. 

And even if they leave, doesn’t matter. Those f’n MORONS actually WILLINGLY handed over tech and ip to the CCP in order to operate in China. They sold out their own future and their own people in order to make a quick buck today. China would be a poor 3rd rate backwater still if US/European multinationals never decided to move all of their f’n production to China and transfer over tech/ip.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #922 on: April 01, 2020, 06:24:43 PM »
I'm just glad that we did our thing in Italy before things went totally haywire. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #923 on: April 01, 2020, 06:34:10 PM »
Doesn’t matter if they want to leave or not. It’s still cheaper for them to produce in China than it is in the US. Even with the tarrifs and wage increases. And these soulless, lifeless mega US multinationals care about nothing more than the bottom line period. The people running them have sold out their own country all in the name of the almighty dollar.

And even if they leave, doesn’t matter. Those f’n MORONS actually WILLINGLY handed over tech and ip to the CCP in order to operate in China. They sold out their own future and their own people in order to make a quick buck today. China would be a poor 3rd rate backwater still if US/European multinationals never decided to move all of their f’n production to China and transfer over tech/ip.
I don't disagree with the general sentiment that we need to move manufacturing out of China, but it's not a question of corporate greed, but rather an issue of corporate survival--  and it's the American consumer that's to blame.

Do you think American consumers will buy Dell or HP computers that cost 30% more than their Lenovo counterparts?  Do you think they'll buy the $500 Dell laptop, or the identically-spec'd $350 Lenovo one?

You don't have to answer that one, we've already tested the hypothesis and verified the conclusion in real life.  American consumers only "buy American" if it's priced the same.

 

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