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MrNubbz · « **Reply #826 on:** March 31, 2020, 11:30:27 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 10:26:11 AM

I don't know exactly what this sentence fragment means.

I don't 100 percent even know if the post wasn't PC, since that's a squishy term that borders on meaninglessness.

But in the end, we often pretend that some folks are very the same and some folks are very different, and neither is particularly correct.

If your including the above post then obviously yes

MrNubbz · « **Reply #827 on:** March 31, 2020, 11:36:26 AM »

Quote from: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 11:10:21 AM

I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed. If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.

Yes correct,some folks want to lecture even question/chastise others feelings regarding this.If the folks who visit your area are consistent vacationers it's one thing.Not sure I'd be drinking from the same fountain or getting into the same car as any of them.Good Luck

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #828 on:** March 31, 2020, 12:51:31 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 11:10:21 AM

I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed. If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.

Not really. It's about minimizing contact with people. Outside of truly remote rural areas, it's assumed that the virus is basically everywhere. And even in the NYC metro area (8.6M people), confirmed case counts of 75K suggest that fewer than 1 in 100 people has a confirmed case - and that's comparing JUST the population of NYC, where we don't know that all 75K cases are NYC versus the rest of the state.

If you combine NY, NJ, CT and PA case counts (~100K), assuming every case in every one of those states is only in the NYC metro, and compare them against the NYC metro area population in total (23M), that's one person in less than 200 having a confirmed case.

So you assume that if you're asymptomatic, you're trying to avoid becoming infected more than you're trying to avoid spreading infection.

Obviously you don't want to constantly go back and forth from place to place, and you don't want to go to a place with fewer restrictions just to go galavanting out and about. But I think the risks of moving from one place to another, THEN staying there and sheltering in that place, are minimal.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #829 on:** March 31, 2020, 12:53:16 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 05:32:25 PM

So my mother in law has a situation with a few employees she is dealing with. She is running a successful small family business that has been in business over 50 years now.

It’s a hardware store but they also do outside jobs such as install doors, windows, awnings, etc. It isn’t shut down because it is considered an essential business.

They have 4 guys who do the outside work. The unofficial leader of that group has been encouraging the others to tell my MIL how unsafe they feel. He’s a long time employee but has been a royal PITA over the years on different issues. She has tried to be sympathetic but she is coming to work everyday as are the rest of the in-store employees. She told them they could use their vacation time but they didn’t want to do that. The in store employees have a lot more contact with the public than the outside guys. Anyway, none of the outside guys showed up for work today. They told her they weren’t quitting but didn’t feel safe working right now.

She called my wife looking for advice on how to handle it. We told her to contact each of them and tell them they are open for business and she has work that needs to be done. If they don’t report for work tomorrow then she will work under the assumption they have voluntarily resigned and will fight any unemployment claims. She’s a little more soft hearted than my wife though. I’ll be interested to see what happens.

The company that my wife works for has had this same issue. Some workers stated that they didn't feel safe coming to work. The owner told them they are more than welcome to not come to work, but he is not laying them off. They can take vacation if they have any, otherwise they will be going without pay. He also explained that the company was deemed essential and they had customers that expected their shipments. Therefore, he could not guarantee that anyone refusing to work would have a job when this thing was over.

At the same time, the county health department was called and came into inspect the business. After an inspection, the county health official stated that the company was in compliance with the COVID regulations, with one of them being that employees work stations were at least 6 feet apart.

The funny thing was that the employees that claimed to be in the greatest fear of their health, would congregate in the break room, sitting together at a small table. Apparently all they really wanted was paid time off. They didn't get it.

Also when the county health department showed up, they informed the owner that anyone that calls off sick with a soar throat, high fever or a bad cough, will have to provide a note from a doctor before returning to work. That was a shock to a few that tried that route.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #830 on:** March 31, 2020, 12:58:29 PM »

Sounds about exactly what we did 10 days ago.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #831 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:06:01 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 11:30:27 AM

If your including the above post then obviously yes

That is was not PC?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #832 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:10:50 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 11:10:21 AM

I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed. If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.

There's a case for that, but when this all started up, it's not like we told everyone who was in Europe, who seemed like prime disease vectors, to just stay right there, so clearly there is some gray area.

I kind of read those orders as being about bunkering down, but not necessarily a command to bunker down right exactly where you are at that moment. On that note, I'm going to go for a walk.

utee94 · « **Reply #833 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:16:35 PM »

It's not a huge deal, just a pet peeve, but I really dislike the term "shelter in place" as it is being used in the context of this quarantine.

Shelter-in-place is a disaster-related term, which means extreme danger is imminent. Around here, specifically, it's used for hurricanes and tornadoes. It doesn't imply "stay at home" at all-- to the contrary, when a shelter-in-place order is issued, and you're not at your home, it means DO NOT go home. You should find physical shelter wherever you currently happen to be, and stay there, until the physical threat has passed and you are told it's okay to move about once again.

Kris60 · « **Reply #834 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 12:51:31 PM

Not really. It's about minimizing contact with people. Outside of truly remote rural areas, it's assumed that the virus is basically everywhere. And even in the NYC metro area (8.6M people), confirmed case counts of 75K suggest that fewer than 1 in 100 people has a confirmed case - and that's comparing JUST the population of NYC, where we don't know that all 75K cases are NYC versus the rest of the state.

If you combine NY, NJ, CT and PA case counts (~100K), assuming every case in every one of those states is only in the NYC metro, and compare them against the NYC metro area population in total (23M), that's one person in less than 200 having a confirmed case.

So you assume that if you're asymptomatic, you're trying to avoid becoming infected more than you're trying to avoid spreading infection.

Obviously you don't want to constantly go back and forth from place to place, and you don't want to go to a place with fewer restrictions just to go galavanting out and about. But I think the risks of moving from one place to another, THEN staying there and sheltering in that place, are minimal.

But we’ve also been told you can be asymptomatic and still be a carrier and still be contagious. So it puts people on edge that people, even though they may be asymptomatic, are leaving the biggest hot spot in the country and seeking refuge down here. I understand why they are coming but it isn’t hard to understand why locals aren’t thrilled about it.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #835 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:47:23 PM »

I was reading a bit more about the virus being present 17 days on a cruise ship, and they measured RNA, not "live" virus. The virus could have denatured by then and given a positive reading on RNA. I believe the best data is survival for 1-2 days under ideal conditions on smooth hard surfaces, which is bad enough obviously. Sunlight will kill it as will any surfactant in water.

I can't find anything reliable about how often it is spread by a sneeze or cough.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #836 on:** March 31, 2020, 02:00:51 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 01:47:23 PM

I was reading a bit more about the virus being present 17 days on a cruise ship, and they measured RNA, not "live" virus. The virus could have denatured by then and given a positive reading on RNA. I believe the best data is survival for 1-2 days under ideal conditions on smooth hard surfaces, which is bad enough obviously. Sunlight will kill it as will any surfactant in water.

I can't find anything reliable about how often it is spread by a sneeze or cough.

That is good. I have been waiting for some context on that thing. Hopefully that detail makes it to the same front pages that reported the 17 day thing.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #837 on:** March 31, 2020, 02:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 01:40:43 PM

But we’ve also been told you can be asymptomatic and still be a carrier and still be contagious. So it puts people on edge that people, even though they may be asymptomatic, are leaving the biggest hot spot in the country and seeking refuge down here. I understand why they are coming but it isn’t hard to understand why locals aren’t thrilled about it.

Oh, I get that, and why people aren't thrilled about it. Especially if people are fleeing NYC and then being stupid about how they conduct themselves wherever they end up. And I'm sure there's a lot of that.

But if I lived in a tiny NYC apartment and at the same time had a vacation home in WV, I'd much rather go to the house in WV. I'd make sure I had all the supplies I needed for a few weeks so that I wasn't just running all over the place interacting with people, but at least I'd be able to go outside my door, take a walk, etc without thinking I'd be endangering myself or others.

Kris60 · « **Reply #838 on:** March 31, 2020, 02:15:46 PM »

To add a little levity to the discussion I’ll share this story. My kids hadn’t had Chick-Fil-A since all this started and had been asking for it. So yesterday I took them through the CFA drive through to get something. CFA, being CFA, had a big white canopy for their workers to stand under to shelter them. I guess this confused enough people they had to put a sign up in the drive through that read, “Not a Covid 19 Testing Site.”

Naturally, as soon as I pulled up I asked if this was a Covid 19 testing site.😀

MrNubbz · « **Reply #839 on:** March 31, 2020, 02:25:10 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 01:06:01 PM

That is was not PC?

I'm really not getting your pointless vernacular bitchery.You started in on me defending someone who had a legitimate concern.No need to reply-really

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