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Topic: Rankings ... ugh

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MarqHusker

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #6230 on: Today at 06:07:51 PM »
Notably,  Purdue one of the only Big Ten schools requiring SAT scores again.  That pendulum is swinging back.

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #6231 on: Today at 06:11:43 PM »
I had a notion Purdue and GT were aboit the same, a bit under MIT and CalTech, in engineering.  But you make a good point that many students are not engineering majors.

I had not known graduation rates were such a weighty factor.

It's also weird to me that Tech has so many grad students.

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« Reply #6232 on: Today at 06:38:05 PM »
I had a notion Purdue and GT were aboit the same, a bit under MIT and CalTech, in engineering.  But you make a good point that many students are not engineering majors.

It's also weird to me that Tech has so many grad students.
MIT and CalTech likewise have larger graduate student populations compared to undergrad. But you almost expect that... They're small and private, where it's somewhat common to overrepresent grad school. 

GT is the outlier IMHO to be a large public state institution and yet overweight graduate students...

I had not known graduation rates were such a weighty factor.
In reality, I can't exactly fault a ranking for weighting "do they actually graduate their own students?" highly. I mean, isn't that the point of a university?

But IMHO it creates a perverse incentive to underweight offering a high-quality education (which I'm not saying they don't) and instead to focus on pre-selecting the applicants who are obviously winners and highly unlikely to fail. 

I recall being at Purdue in the late 90s and there were certain freshman classes in the engineering curriculum that were obvious weed-out classes. It was VERY common to start in engineering and then transfer to another major because you couldn't hack it. I kinda feel like these ultra-selective universities don't have that phenomenon to the same degree because they wouldn't dare admit someone who can't hack it. 

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« Reply #6233 on: Today at 06:49:04 PM »
Interesting.  My favorite patent attorney at work had a eng degree from Purdue.  He was both smart and savvy (and ended up a senior VP).  I still email him back and forth on occasion, he just retired.  (To be a patent attorney, you must have a specific STEM undergrad degree.)

One factor for Tech is the Hope Scholarship.  It pays your tuition if you qualify, and anyone getting into Tech would qualify (in state only).  So, students who might have considered "MIT" in the past could lean to staying home now.  This has also favored UGA, perhaps even more.  UGA was a "middlin' school" when I was there, now it's a top 20 public.

I was in sophomore org chem classes with "pre meds".  We started with 180+ in the class and finished the year with 33 or so.  I figured most of the 33 were headed to med school.  That was the first course in college that I really really liked.  The professor was superb.  Not surprisingly because I liked it a lot, I did well.

Until my last year in HS I wanted to be a civil engineer or architect, so I figured I'd go to Tech.  UGA offered me a small scholarship and that kind of flipped me.  Anyway, I digress, we obviously had a lot of engineers where I worked from Purdue.  Most seemed pretty good to very good, to me.

 

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