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Minneaspolic seemed decent the two times I was there.

Houston seemed like one enormous strip mall outside downtown.

I have found the Twin Cities to be generally lovely. Weather would be an irritant.

Only been to Houston once, and that was mainly as a launching point to go somewhere else in Texas. I’ve heard it has an unbelievable set of restaurants in the lake, but people say it lacks any semblance of centrality. (I ate entirely upscale BBQ and tacos, and that frankly ruled)

Yeah, Tampa isn't great, but Tampa adjacent is.


Would anyone honestly rather live in Chicago than Miami?  Huh??

Ummm... F no.

Stupid list.

Ummm... F no.

Stupid list.

I asked this question in sort of a sense of learning, but what is the really strong hook for Miami (not comparing to Chicago)? I feel like when it gets talked up, the main points are:

-Warm
-Great night life
-Beach access
-Great food from one immigrant group (Cubans)
-wonderful and vibrant Spanish-speaking population if that is a selling point

With listed downsides as insane traffic, challenging weather, not as much ability to get out to diverse places (ecologically and geologically)

is there something I missing in terms of other food or culture? Some other hook I don’t know about?

I asked this question in sort of a sense of learning, but what is the really strong hook for Miami (not comparing to Chicago)? I feel like when it gets talked up, the main points are:

-Warm
-Great night life
-Beach access
-Great food from one immigrant group (Cubans)
-wonderful and vibrant Spanish-speaking population if that is a selling point

With listed downsides as insane traffic, challenging weather, not as much ability to get out to diverse places (ecologically and geologically)

is there something I missing in terms of other food or culture? Some other hook I don’t know about?

The food in Miami is more than Cuban. It's a great all-around food city - as is Chicago. Chicago used to have great night life, but we all know what happened there.

Chicago traffic is worse than Miami's and the winters are long and bad. You can use the beach in Chicago (if you can get to it), but the water never gets much above 72, so you're not swimming unless you're 8 years old.

The food in Miami is more than Cuban. It's a great all-around food city - as is Chicago. Chicago used to have great night life, but we all know what happened there.

Chicago traffic is worse than Miami's and the winters are long and bad. You can use the beach in Chicago (if you can get to it), but the water never gets much above 72, so you're not swimming unless you're 8 years old.

So I may have phrased the questions poorly. I'm saying separate from Chicago. Let's say I live in Summerville SC, so I have reasonable beach access and it is already hot, and I'm in my mid-30s, so hardcore night life is not for me. 

I'm positive Miami has a hook for me in that situation, and I just don't yet know what it is. 

I like visiting Miami but wouldn't ever live there.  There's this sort of thin veneer of wealth and extravagance, but it feels a little hollow underneath.  For me it has the same feeling that LA and Las Vegas have-- it has no soul.

Just my opinion of course.

I wouldn't live in Miami or Chicago proper

In the surrounding areas and forced to chose?
That's tough, probably go with Miami.  More weeks for golf