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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #2226 on: May 21, 2024, 01:36:19 PM »



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« Reply #2227 on: May 21, 2024, 08:00:32 PM »
Our 3 biggest rivals.............agreed.
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« Reply #2228 on: May 22, 2024, 09:30:14 AM »
Our 3 biggest rivals.............agreed.
Yup, our two biggest rivals as well.  Can't disagree. 

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« Reply #2229 on: May 22, 2024, 09:55:18 AM »
The most annoying fan bases will always be your rivals and perhaps some pesky program's fans that occasional manages to beat you, but really is inferior.

I knew quite a few Ohio State fans in Cincy of course, we'd talk football a fair bit.  The ones I knew were good fans.  I still know two of them and carry on about CFB.

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« Reply #2230 on: May 22, 2024, 11:21:12 AM »
The most annoying fan bases will always be your rivals and perhaps some pesky program's fans that occasional manages to beat you, but really is inferior.

I knew quite a few Ohio State fans in Cincy of course, we'd talk football a fair bit.  The ones I knew were good fans.  I still know two of them and carry on about CFB.
Not to me. I generally tend to feel sorry for them, but those two losses in a row to Iowa have me a little pissed. But Iowa fans are not at all annoying to me. I find them very similar to Wisconsin fans. I do consider many Wisconsin fans to be annoying, to be honest, especially those who get blind drunk. Same goes for some Iowa fans.

Nebraska is not really a rival. I'd say Northwestern is more of a rival, but they don't have annoying fans because there aren't any.
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« Reply #2231 on: May 22, 2024, 11:23:54 AM »
Blind drunk fans can be annoying?  Heh.

We went to a game at Kentucky a few years back, afternoon game, and one UK student was apparently blind drunk before the game and spewing loudly about how the Cats were going to mash the Dawgs.  It was mildly annoying, I think his friends were trying to shush him, it was outside the stadium so we weren't sitting near him.




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« Reply #2232 on: May 22, 2024, 11:34:58 AM »
The most annoying fan bases will always be your rivals and perhaps some pesky program's fans that occasional manages to beat you, but really is inferior.

I knew quite a few Ohio State fans in Cincy of course, we'd talk football a fair bit.  The ones I knew were good fans.  I still know two of them and carry on about CFB.
Well sure, but these aren't rankings of annoying fan bases by one specific school's fans, these are nationally acknowledged annoying fan bases.

That UT's two biggest rivals are among the top 10, is amusing.  And correct. :)

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« Reply #2233 on: May 22, 2024, 11:50:04 AM »
I presume in such a national poll, the major programs with the largest fan bases will be over represented.  So, OSU fans, being most numerous, probably, would nearly all say Michigan has the most annoying fans.

"Most annoying" doesn't necessarily mean "bad fans".  The fans of a team that routinely beats you can be annoying.


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« Reply #2234 on: May 23, 2024, 08:08:52 PM »
U.S. News ranked Omaha as 18th on its list of the best places to live in the United States in 2024.

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« Reply #2235 on: May 24, 2024, 01:46:38 AM »
I was looking on cfreference and their SRS ratings.  I really like it.  It strips away all the crap that doesn't matter and deals only with what happens on the field. 
Who did you play and how did you do?
Many people here seem to think I don't care about results....when that's all I care about.  I care about what a team does and who they do it against.  I don't give a shit how many draft picks they have or star ratings, etc. 
But yes, a win over a good team is better than a win over a bad team.
A blowout is better than a close win.
Best win/worst loss isn't where SOS begins and ends, sorry.
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All that being said, I listed national champions out by SOS and also listed the highest or next-highest of each season. 
What I like about this is that it doesn't care about legendary status or mystique or even general consensus.
I started with 1966, as integration was happening and the top 3 teams that year were clustered.
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What do we see?
1971 Nebraska was the best team ever.
What they did vs who they played was #1 of all-time, by a healthy margin.
After them?  There's a cluster.
72 USC, 70 Texas, 70 Nebraska, and 2020 Alabama.
At first I thought it was an era thing, but no, late-60s teams didn't show up here.  There just happened to be a few amazing teams around then.  Plus 20 Bama, with the undefeated, no-cupcakes schedule.
Makes sense. 
74 OU
95 Nebraska
No surprises there.
Another cluster after that:  77 ND, 91 Washington, 01 Miami, 18 Clemson
No big surprises there. 
78 Bama, 04 USC, 66 ND
19 LSU
73 ND, 08 Florida, 22 Georgia
Yeah, 2019 LSU had an all-time great offense, maybe the best ever.  But their defense wasn't great for a NC.  They had a 3-point win.  A 5-point win.  That matters.
05 Texas, 23 Michigan
93 FSU
88 ND, 11 Bama, 12 Bama
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Okay, that's enough listing them from the top.  The bottom?
By far the worst, c'mon, all together now:  84 BYU
BY FAR.
Next worst?  2002 OSU.  I was ready to comment here about how that team's win over Miami was one of the biggest upsets ever, but turns out 02 Miami wasn't 01 Miami. 
07 LSU.....2 losses, we get it.  Not great.
92 Bama.  Everyone remembers the great D, no one wants to talk about the QB throwing 5 TDs and 14 INTs.
90 CU and 90 GT
80 Georgia
Next worst:  06 Florida, 98 Tennessee, 83 Miami, 97 Michigan, 16 Clemson
Some ranked in the lower third that might surprise you:  85 OU, 67 USC, 66 MSU, 94 Nebraska
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Okay, now for the non-champs.
By far and away the top non-NC is 1973 OU.  71 OU would be the guess here, and they're 2nd, but it's a big gap. 
Another big gap.
2019 OSU.  Rated above 2019 LSU.  Hmmph.
72 OU, 94 Penn St (robbed and robbed badly)
78 USC, 16 Bama
18 Bama, 81 PSU, 05 USC, 76 Michigan, 08 OU, 68 Texas
77 Bama, 80 Pitt (duh)
Lots of Bamas and OSUs and OUs and USCs litter the list. 
For the lower end:
07 WV....fun team to watch, resume is light in the pants
67 ND, 21 Michigan
84 Florida, 04 Auburn
06 USC, 23 Texas
22 Michigan, 15 OSU
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Some notes:
80 UGA was 9th in SRS in 1980.  But they had the magical zero in the loss column.
I thought 99 and 13 FSU would rank highly, but they're middle-of-the-pack for NCs.
90 Miami was leaps and bounds ahead of either 90 NC
04 Utah was actually ranked 2nd-best of that season.
BYU winning in 84 was criminal.  The gap between them and the top team that year (Florida) is the same as the gap between 95 Nebraska and 81 Clemson. 
I've never thought much of the 80s Penn St teams, but the NCs rate average and 81 non-NC even higher.  I stand corrected.
I was thinking 86 Miami would be a high non-NC, but they weren't in the top 2 that year (OU ranks ahead of them, despite the h2h loss).  But 88 Miami does rank highly, so 88 Miami > 86 Miami
Similar thing for 95 Florida....95 OSU ranks higher. 
Wisconsin ranks as the #1 team in 2017, so hats off to them.  In that light, they remind me of 2000 OU, with a better RB.
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Any thoughts?  Criticisms? 
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« Reply #2236 on: May 24, 2024, 07:34:40 AM »
This is a good illustration about another thing about rankings.  Some folks might have a bar discussion obviously over the ten best teams and maybe argue about 4 vs 5.  Most everyone agrees about BYU.  I doubt anyone seriously cares about whether 18 should be 20 or 30 should be 27.  You could throw the teams in the middle of this and stir them up and spit out a random ranking that would be probably OK.  

It resembles these wine point rankings, I think.  A hundred point wine, if properly stored and aged, is going to be good (to most people).  It'll also be expensive likely as not, a grand or more.  But you could take the wines ranked 88 to 92 and randomly mix them and be about as "accurate", especially since this would reflect individual tastes.  (And some aspects of these wine rankings scales are not of much importance to me.)

I don't completely disdain ALL rankings and ratings of course, but I do for most.  I find them either useless, or pointless, or just absurd.  If YOU like something, go for it, don't worry about "rankings".  If enough folks really rave about some beach or some city or some attraction or some steak or restaurant, by all means, try it out and see if you want.

My wife loves the Big Island in Hawaii.  I'd like to visit Kauai some time, she doesn't want to.  We're been to Oahu and Maui, she thinks she's see enough.  OK, fine with me.  

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« Reply #2237 on: May 24, 2024, 08:01:21 AM »
The 1980 UGA team was quite lucky several times, and had that flashy freshman RB who broke off long runs to make highlight videos.  The 1981 team was better IMHO, more balanced.  The more recent UGA champs were pretty legit, in my view.  They still might have lost here and there, almost did at Mizzou, and again with Ohio State.

Even a very good NC team likely caught a break or three, it's the nature of the game.  Had Auburn held on against Bama, UGA probably would have made the playoffs last season.

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« Reply #2238 on: May 24, 2024, 08:19:40 AM »

Next worst:  06 Florida, 98 Tennessee, 83 Miami, 97 Michigan, 16 Clemson
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Any thoughts?  Criticisms? 
did they also cornsider 97 Nebraska a champ?
and I assume they ranked 97 Nebraska over 97 Michigan
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« Reply #2239 on: May 24, 2024, 08:25:04 AM »
Great stuff 'fro.
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