Hey
@MikeDeTiger when you quote my post and only type within it, I can't quote it. So it kind of breaks off the convo.
But in regards to my curt responses, it kind of goes along with what
@betarhoalphadelta has said - a fully-fleshed out retort of a list of the popular apologist arguments is a conversation, not for a web forum.
You get my cliff's notes versions because the longer a post is, the fewer people will read it.
Your long quote-post sounds like Jordan Peterson. Suggesting I'm not taking into account all the minds and hours and lifetimes dedicated to the idea of a god. I'm well aware of it. And I can't name a bigger waste of smart minds and man-hours than religion. Humanity has wasted an incalculable amount of time, effort, money, etc on the idea of a god and coming up with the mental gymnastics and word salads to try to prove a god.
I may treat believers like "gullible idiots," but I doubt I've used that phrasing. The gullibility aspect isn't damning, as belief in a god sort of feels good and gives many people a "why" for our existence, so "gullibility" is less accurate than "hopeful" or "desired."
The idiot aspect has nothing to do with stupidity or intelligence. A person who loses faith and is unconvinced of a god didn't suddenly get smarter. If I treat a believer like an idiot, it's mostly because of how much our culture has learned and what year it is. 2023. Just imagine how much humanity has learned in the past 2000 years. It's vast. "Idiotic" isn't really accurate, as a person smart enough to use reason and prudence in every other aspect of life is smart enough to know that giving religion a pass isn't reasonable nor prudent. It's more "willful ignorance," not "idiocy."
What all the apologist arguments come down to are hopeful, desired almosts and maybes. None of it is actual evidence. And while disproving a god is also a fool's errand, it's also unnecessary. Everyone who isn't convinced a god exists is an atheist. The agnostic crowd are atheists.
I don't have to make a claim either way. But as a believer, making the claim there is a god, that's on you to prove. If you think you can prove a guy literally rose from the dead 2000 years ago, good luck.
The what, tens of millions? of man-hours having thus far failing to prove the point should tell you something.
The time to believe a god exists is when the evidence tells us. Maybe you'll find the evidence in the next 2000 years. Maybe not.