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847badgerfan · « **Reply #42 on:** November 20, 2017, 06:49:43 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 20, 2017, 06:32:17 PM

I agree with the proposition that Chryst has had a better run at Wisconsin than Harbaugh has had at Ttun. Two B1G West Titles vs three straight finishes of at least third place in the B1G East.

That said, Harbaugh clearly has the more impressive overall resume. Hands down.

Hands down? Not entirely sure about that. The NFL stuff is impressive, no question, as is building the program at Stanford. Now that all has to translate in the Big Ten. An entirely different animal.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #43 on:** November 20, 2017, 06:59:07 PM »

I had never known that Chryst had been an assistant coach in three different professional leagues. That's kind of interesting.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 20, 2017, 07:06:50 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2017, 03:54:16 PM

OK, so when Harbaugh accomplishes all this, will Harbaugh be seen as being better than Harbaugh too?

he's year 3 into a re-build of a 5-7 program. He just lost 43 seniors and 11 starters to the NFL draft plus another 4-5 to UDFA contracts. Give him some more time, maybe? The guy was a miracle fluke bungled punt away from going 11-2 his first year and literally an inch away from beating Ohio State in Columbus and going to the B1G CCG last year.

Chryst walked into a much cushier situation. Wisconsin was 11-3 the year before he got there and their worst "down year" in the last 10-15 years is what- probably an 8 win season? Compare that kind of stability to Michigan, who since 2007 had been a complete disaster save for Hoke's absolute fluke of a first season. Chryst is also playing in the West- the weaker division on a week to week basis.

It's also pretty funny how you just completely dismiss everything Harbaugh has already done at San Diego, Stanford, and in the NFL. Actually it's hysterical.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #45 on:** November 20, 2017, 07:44:36 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2017, 06:49:43 PM

Hands down? Not entirely sure about that. The NFL stuff is impressive, no question, as is building the program at Stanford. Now that all has to translate in the Big Ten. An entirely different animal.

It's also pretty funny how you just completely dismiss everything Harbaugh has already done at San Diego, Stanford, and in the NFL. Actually it's hysterical.

See above, and stop laughing. Jeez.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #46 on:** November 20, 2017, 07:58:20 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2017, 07:44:36 PM

It's also pretty funny how you just completely dismiss everything Harbaugh has already done at San Diego, Stanford, and in the NFL. Actually it's hysterical.

See above, and stop laughing. Jeez.

yeah, because coaching the Big Ten is definitely tougher than coaching in the Pac 12 or the NFL. That different animal that is the Big Ten.

*Eye rolling emoji*.....where is the eye rolling emoji???

Big Ten has it's challenges just like the Pac 12 does, wouldn't say it's any easier or tougher to coach in one league over the other, and neither are remotely as difficult as coaching in the NFL where you have a salary cap, have to re-sign players and sign new F/A players and get them all to fit under a cap every year, and where you have 7 rounds to nail draft picks- and most teams flunk out on the draft picks. NFL is the ultimate parity league. It's designed for teams not to succeed.

College? Every year you get to sign 25-30 players, and a lot of the "helmet" teams like BAMA/OSU and big-name coaches like Meyer/Saban pick and choose who they want for the most part. They get 25-30 1st round picks every year.

FearlessF · « **Reply #47 on:** November 20, 2017, 08:15:10 PM »

coaching is a "what have you done lately" job.

an impressive past is fine, but when is Jimmy going to meet expectations in Ann Arbor?

don't think many Michigan fans were thinking finishing in 4th in the East was how Big Jim would roll, because of his glorious past

year 3 and the offensive guy and QB whisperer has no QB and a lousy offense.

is year 4 the one where he shows that coaching pedigree?

yes, perhaps Chryst's transition was smoother, but you're as good as your record. especially after 3 or 4 seasons

Mdot21 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 20, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on November 20, 2017, 08:15:10 PM

coaching is a "what have you done lately" job.

an impressive past is fine, but when is Jimmy going to meet expectations in Ann Arbor?

don't think many Michigan fans were thinking finishing in 4th in the East was how Big Jim would roll, because of his glorious past

year 3 and the offensive guy and QB whisperer has no QB and a lousy offense.

is year 4 the one where he shows that coaching pedigree?

yes, perhaps Chryst's transition was smoother, but you're as good as your record. especially after 3 or 4 seasons

What were Michigan/Harbaugh's expectations in 2017? Certainly wasn't competing for the playoffs and winning the B1G.

That was Ohio State and Penn State expectations seeing as how Ohio State made the playoffs last year and Penn State won the B1G last year and both of those teams returned damn near everyone.

This fantasy that Harbaugh isn't living up to expectations is just that- pure fantasy.

Did anyone expect him to really win the B1G his first year taking over what had been a dumpster fire program? No. Of course not. Fluke punt play away with 8 seconds left in a game from being 11-2 that first year. Inch away from going to the B1G CG last year. That wasn't a 1st down. Game should've been over. It wasn't. Breaks don't all go your way.

Nobody expected him them to win the conference when they lost more to graduation/NFL than any team in the conference.

And it looks like he just might have his QB of the future in the Frosh Peters. By far the best looking QB he's had in his time at Michigan. Jim better not EFF that up by trying to give Wilton that job back. Wilton is ass.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #49 on:** November 20, 2017, 09:33:15 PM »

The Madman has a lot of work to do. I will say that he did a great job with Hoke's recruits. Let's see what he can do with his own. So far, ???

Seems to me he needs to adjust his staff. Of course, that is part of being a great head coach.

Where the hell is dudekd?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #50 on:** November 21, 2017, 12:04:54 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 20, 2017, 05:29:06 PM

My objection to the SoS rankings is the same as my objection to your comment that "all road games are tough". No, they aren't. Some teams are not good enough to beat Wisconsin no matter where the game is played.

Similarly, SoS rankings usually evaluate every game so that you get a bonus if you play (for example) team #75 instead of team #125.
I disagree with this simply because if you are a P5 Divisional Champion and an 11-0 CFP contender there really isn't any appreciable difference between playing #125 at home and playing #75 on the road. Either of those should be an EASY win.

What Wisconsin lacks is tests against high-end opponents (their best is either Northwestern or Michigan) and particularly road tests against quality opponents (their best is either Nebraska or Indiana).

Per S&P+
UW's top wins
17, 38, 49. That system has FIU a little overrated (16th) because of the run of stupid dominance it's been on.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #51 on:** November 21, 2017, 12:24:04 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 20, 2017, 07:06:50 PM

he's year 3 into a re-build of a 5-7 program. He just lost 43 seniors and 11 starters to the NFL draft plus another 4-5 to UDFA contracts. Give him some more time, maybe? The guy was a miracle fluke bungled punt away from going 11-2 his first year and literally an inch away from beating Ohio State in Columbus and going to the B1G CCG last year.

Chryst walked into a much cushier situation. Wisconsin was 11-3 the year before he got there and their worst "down year" in the last 10-15 years is what- probably an 8 win season? Compare that kind of stability to Michigan, who since 2007 had been a complete disaster save for Hoke's absolute fluke of a first season. Chryst is also playing in the West- the weaker division on a week to week basis.

It's also pretty funny how you just completely dismiss everything Harbaugh has already done at San Diego, Stanford, and in the NFL. Actually it's hysterical.

MDot, buddy, friend. Here's the thing. You're a man prone to trafficking in hyperbole. Things cannot be good or bad, they must be the best or they must be trash. Things cannot be ripe for turnaround, they must be trash fires. It's not an uncommon viewpoint, but it means that when you get all chest-y about that "weakest schedule of any major P5 team in the nation" bull-jive, the 3rd-(and 4th-)place jokes will come in force.

So lets start.

Michigan's rank in starz in Year 1: 9th. Year 2: 8th. Year 3: Fell all the way to ... well, 7th.
That's better than every non-OSU team in the league. And why am I giving him more time? Urban went 12-0 a year off a scandal-fueled coach firing. Tress took over a 6-6 team and won it all two years later. Nick Saban made the Sugar Bowl. Hell, Franklin went to the dang Rose Bowl in year 3, and he took over a far more troubled program than "Brady Hoke left the cupboards stocked"

Did Chryst walk into a better spot? Outside talent, probably. I'm sorry some solid regional school has its s--- together more than a blue blood. I will weep for them.

Those other stops are good. His success at the bottom rung of FCS is nice. It's all been over-mythologized (another story for another day), but it's been good. I hope all that helps Michigan.

It's interesting, what Harbs has done in Ann Arbor is this: he's built teams better than their record. What that means is, he's been a close game loser. Strong teams tend to win big, and when the lose, they lose small. Jimmy has don't this, but it means he's a man whose teams have underperformed how good they were. In the stats world, that's not a bad thing. In the chesty, loogit how great my guy is, that's a reason to wait until the good results actually come in.

ELA · « **Reply #52 on:** November 21, 2017, 12:32:20 AM »

Quote from: grillrat on November 20, 2017, 04:10:28 PM

Sure, but let's throw in your Purdue predictions at the same time and see how it averages out.

I'm not tootin my own horn on predictions. Although I think whatever my Purdue prediction was is closer than my 4-8 MSU prediction was. I just think quite a few people assumed they'd go undefeated, because they didn't play anything resembling a difficult road game.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #53 on:** November 21, 2017, 01:06:24 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2017, 07:23:10 PM

I was thinking (dangerous).

When does PC start to get recognition as being among the best coaches in NCAA football? I noticed during the game yesterday the announcers fawning over Harbaugh and the TV showing his mug over and over and over again.

PC is a better coach, to anyone paying attention. He built a fantastic staff and that group has built a winner, top to bottom. They graduate their kids. They are humble to a fault. They love where they are.

So, when??

You are thinking dangerously? Me too!
My immediate reflexive reply is: There will be openings at Arkansas, and Nebraska this year. Maybe he can find another job. ;(

TyphonInc · « **Reply #54 on:** November 21, 2017, 08:04:37 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 20, 2017, 07:58:20 PM

*Eye rolling emoji*.....where is the eye rolling emoji???

MrNubbz · « **Reply #55 on:** November 21, 2017, 09:10:22 AM »

Well if I'm Paul Chryst I wouldn't sweat C.O.T.Y..It usually follows a less than stellar campaign

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