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MikeDeTiger

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6846 on: August 14, 2026, 05:36:46 PM »
Exactly. It must have been something in those states that it became such a common problem, it was worthy of attention.

That said, I'm sure in Louisiana, they might not be able to get married...

...but they still fuckin'.

Nice deflection for the fact your state thinks it's okay and refuses to ban it :72:   


Also, that would mean that in 2005 it was such a common problem in Texas that it was worthy of attention.  

Are you messing with Texas?  Officially....on the record?   


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« Reply #6847 on: August 14, 2026, 05:38:58 PM »
Eh, in Texas ban it or not.

Only way you'll get it enacted is if you have more firepower than the other guy.

Pay your money, take your chances.

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« Reply #6848 on: August 14, 2026, 08:35:17 PM »
On August 14, 1871, Cloid Smith, founder of America’s first major popcorn company (American Pop Corn Company/JOLLY TIME Pop Corn) was born in Sioux City, Iowa. The popcorn pioneer founded the company in his hometown in 1914.

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« Reply #6849 on: August 15, 2026, 07:44:50 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Cameroon's Lake Monoun Explodes, Suffocating 37 (1984)
The explosion at Cameroon's Lake Monoun, which killed 37 people, at first baffled investigators. It was only after a similar event at nearby Lake Nyos two years later claimed the lives of 1,700 people that experts determined that high concentration of carbon dioxide in the lakes had caused the suffocating limnic eruptions. Venting pipes were inserted into Lake Monoun to remove the gas and prevent future eruptions.
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« Reply #6850 on: August 16, 2026, 10:10:14 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

The Peterloo Massacre (1819)
On August 16, 1819, 60,000 men, women, and children gathered at St. Peter's Field in Manchester, England, to protest unemployment and high food prices. To disperse the gathering, city officials sent in the untrained volunteer cavalry, which attacked the unarmed crowd with sabers. At least 11 people were killed and hundreds more were wounded. The incident, likened to the Battle of Waterloo, sparked widespread indignation.
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« Reply #6851 on: August 16, 2026, 01:36:35 PM »
Birthdays
1888 Lawrence of Arabia
1913 Menachem Begin
1958 Madonna - the floozie not the real one
1962 Steve Carell

Events
1501 Michelangelo is awarded a contract to create a statue of David at Florence Cathedral by the Overseers of the Office of Works (the Operai) of the Duomo

1812 General Hull surrenders Detroit and Michigan Territory to British forces under the command of Major General Sir Isaac Brock, who captures Fort Detroit with the help of Indigenous warriors led by Tecumseh

1858 Britain's Queen Victoria telegraphs US President James Buchanan for the first time via transatlantic telegraph cable

1870 Fred Goldsmith demonstrates that the curveball is not an optical illusion

1896 Gold is first discovered in the Klondike at Bonanza Creek in Yukon, Canada, by George Carmack

1898 Edwin Prescott patents the first vertical loop-the-loop roller coaster

1914 Emiliano Zapata and Pancho Villa overrun Mexico

1920 Cleveland Indians shortstop Ray Chapman is hit in the head by NY Yankees pitcher Carl Mays and dies the next day in the only MLB game-related fatality RIP Ray

1940 Forty-five German aircraft are shot down over England

1954 American brand management company Authentic Brands Group first publishes sports magazine "Sports Illustrated"

1960 Joseph Kittinger parachutes from a balloon at 102,800 ft

1962 Ringo Starr replaces Pete Best as the Beatles' drummer, with the first official concert two days later

1965 The American Football League's ninth franchise is officially awarded to Joe Robbie and television star Danny Thomas; the Miami Dolphins start play in 1966

1972 King of Morocco Hassan II's Boeing 727 is attacked and shot at by six F-5 military jets during a failed coup attempt by General Mohamed Oufkir. Reportedly, King Hassan grabbed the radio and told the rebel pilots "Stop firing! The tyrant is dead!" fooling the pilots to break off the attack.

1989 A solar flare from the Sun creates a geomagnetic storm that affects microchips, leading to a halt in all trading on Toronto's stock exchange

2012 WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is granted political asylum by Ecuador

2023 British Museum reveals a staff member has been dismissed for stealing about 2,000 objects, including jewelry and semi-precious stones
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« Reply #6852 on: August 16, 2026, 04:01:45 PM »
Did you know that the tiny town of Dewitt Nebraska is famous for the original vise-grip locking pliers? Invented in 1921 by Danish immigrant and blacksmith William S. Petersen. Patented in 1924 and manufactured by Petersen Manufacturing Company. The easy release level was added in 1957. Vise-grip survived in Dewitt until 2008 when the company was sold to Irwin Tools and manufacturing was moved overseas.

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« Reply #6853 on: August 17, 2026, 11:46:16 AM »
OPERATION UNTHINKABLE - QUICK SUCCESS
Was it really unrealistic?

The map illustrates the first phase of Operation Unthinkable—a Western Allied plan to attack the Red Army on July 1, 1945, in order to wrest Poland from Moscow's sphere of influence. Codenamed "Quick Success", the operation aimed to reach the Oder-Neisse line in the first stage and the Gdańsk–Bydgoszcz–Wrocław–Kłodzko line in the second stage. Intention was to inflict a decisive defeat on the Red Army by the autumn of 1945. Such a blow, it was assumed, would force Stalin to negotiate and amendments to Yalta accords would ensue.
The operation was to involve British, American, and Polish troops, as well as forces composed of defeated and captured Wehrmacht POWs, numbering between 100,000 and 700,000.
British planners counted on an anti-communist resistance movement in Soviet-occupied Poland—at the time, 20,000 partisans were still fighting in the forests, and the anti-communist underground numbered 200,000 people. They also anticipated a mutiny within the Polish People's Army (LWP). Following a wave of conscription in communist-held Polish territories, the force had grown to 200,000 men in ten divisions by 1945, though its political reliability was questionable. Although the LWP was largely commanded by Soviet officers, it was estimated in 1945 that only 60% of the soldiers in the 1st Polish Army and perhaps only 40% in the 2nd Polish Army were politically reliable enough for Moscow to count on them in combat. However, they were not stationed in the western part of Poland. They were implementing land reform and combating the anti-communist underground in East and Centre.
The operation's northern flank was to be secured by the Royal Navy. The port of Szczecin was to be captured early on, followed by further amphibious landings along the Polish coast as far east as Gdańsk. Soviet naval forces were weak and would have been unable to resist it.
Air superiority would have belonged unequivocally to the Allies. Their fighter force numbered nearly 7,000 aircraft—including the first jet-powered planes (the British Gloster Meteor F3 and the German Me 262), which the Soviets lacked.
The Allies would also have held the advantage in strategic bombers. The Soviets would have had no effective means to defend against the 2,500 American B-17s, B-29s, and B-24s, along with the British Lancasters, Halifaxes, and the latest Avro Lincolns. High-altitude bomber raids escorted by modern fighters was something the Soviets had never faced before. Allied strategic air power would certainly have severely disrupted Soviet logistics and lines of communication with their deep rear. Bombing missions launched from Iran and the Middle East could have reached Soviet oil fields and refineries, though they would have been costly. Loss rate of 5% of each mission was anticipated.
In 1945, the Red Air Force comprised 16,500 aircraft: 9,400 fighters and ground-attack aircraft, 2,400 light bombers, 1,000 long-range strategic bombers (rather ineffective), 1,100 naval aircraft (engaged primarily in mine-laying), and 300 National Air Defense (OPK) fighters. Moreover, the West supplied the Soviets with half of their aviation fuel, as well as the rubber, copper, aluminum, and metal alloys essential for aircraft production. In the short term - over a six-month period - the Soviets would have had no means to replace these supplies and maintain the production rate of 3,000 aircraft per month achieved by the war's end. While the Red Air Force was effective at the tactical level, Stalin initiated a new purge of its personnel as early as May.
On the ground, the advantage would have lain undoubtedly with the Soviets.
For offensive operations against the Red Army's ground forces, the Allies would have had approximately 50 divisions at their disposal: 20 armored, 25 infantry, and 5 airborne. An additional 11 divisions would be required for the occupation of Germany, and 25 for defensive operations and holding other sectors of the front where no offensive was planned. For instance, a Soviet counter-attack toward Salzburg in Austria was anticipated. Countering it would require 11 divisions.
The Polish contingent within the II Corps would likely number 228,000 soldiers. The unfavorable balance of forces could be mitigated by employing between 100,000 and 700,000 former Wehrmacht soldiers. Plans called for forming up to 10 divisions, though they would not be ready until autumn, and both their formation and deployment would be politically extremely risky, albeit probably inevitable.
Facing these forces on the Soviet side were 140 infantry divisions and the equivalent of 30 armored divisions. The Red Army's armored forces were organized into brigades and independent regiments: Tank Shock Brigades, Armored Brigades, Independent Heavy Tank Regiments and Independent Assault Gun Regiments. The Soviets would have held a 2:1 advantage in tanks and a 4:1 advantage in infantry. While the Red Army soldier’s toughness, tenacity, courage, and ability to endure hardship were well known and acknowledged, their infantry was considered inferior to Western infantry. When deployed abroad, they were prone to indiscipline due to a low morale resulting from the protracted war and staggering losses.
The climax of "QUICK SUCCESS" would have been an armored battle fought in Poland. The Soviets would have fielded a mix of heavy and light tanks supported by assigned infantry (fusilier - автоматчики) units. Their Tank Forces made up one-third of their entire force and consisted of 113 Tank Shock Brigades and 140 standard armored brigades. The latter included approximately 50 T-34 tanks each and infantry battalion of about 1,000 soldiers. Independent Heavy Tank Regiments were each equipped with 23 KV or JS heavy tanks, while Independent Assault Gun Regiments had SU-76 and SU-100 assault guns. Soviet doctrine called for deployment of tanks together with masses of infantry.
The Allies would have concentrated 20 armored divisions for this battle. These would have consisted mainly of Shermans armed with 76mm guns, alongside some 2,000 of the latest Fireflies and the newest American M-26 Pershings, comparable to the German Tiger.
Would a QUICK SUCCESS have forced Stalin to enter negotiations that overturned the Yalta agreements? Would he have retreated deep into Russia, as he did during the war against Hitler? In any event, had Stalin refused to yield, the Allies would have faced the second phase (Phase B, Map B) of Operation Unthinkable: TOTAL WAR.



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« Reply #6854 on: August 17, 2026, 11:57:02 AM »
Things would certainly look a lot different today.
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« Reply #6855 on: August 17, 2026, 12:05:19 PM »
In grad school, a buddy and mine played these board war games, Avalon Hill usually, one was the Allies going after to Soviets after WW 2.  It never ended well for the Allies.  Those simulations were just that of course, but the amount of Soviet war power was, as the note says, enormous.

We had the most fun replaying D-Day.  I won once by stacking nearly all my German troops at Omaha Beach.  I left the other beaches lightly defended, so the Allied troops blew through them, but Omaha left a gaping hole in the middle.  The game ended around Day 20 as I recall, so we couldn't play out past that.

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« Reply #6856 on: August 17, 2026, 12:32:50 PM »

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« Reply #6857 on: August 17, 2026, 12:49:41 PM »
 Unthinkable wouldn't have ended well IMHO,the British were scrambling to fill out units. And only thru the air could it be accomplished and the weather wreaked a lot of havoc on market garden and other plans for take offs and rain and mist covered ground targets.

 And of course Stalin didn't have to answer to the public. However their supplies lines were now stretched dangerously thin and partisans may have rose up. Plus the Reds didn't have enough air crews or anti air craft units in place like the Wehrmacht did. And Stalin was always looking over his shoulder at the Military and secret service because he had so many of them wacked so he may have finally got it. So who knows - better it wasn't fought
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« Reply #6858 on: August 17, 2026, 12:51:29 PM »



I don't know why, but my brain always wants to put North and South Korea where Taiwan goes.  And Taiwan is also incorrectly placed off the coast of Shanghai instead of down toward the Philippines.  

Something got crossed up in elementary school geography lessons.  

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« Reply #6859 on: August 17, 2026, 01:30:58 PM »

I don't know why, but my brain always wants to put North and South Korea where Taiwan goes.  And Taiwan is also incorrectly placed off the coast of Shanghai instead of down toward the Philippines. 

Something got crossed up in elementary school geography lessons. 
I've been to Taiwan four times now... All told a total of about 4 weeks there. 

I highly recommend it. It's one of the favorite places I've traveled, actually... Great history. It's sort of a melting pot of Asia, with some indigenous people, the Japanese influence, the influence of the Chinese fleeing the revolution, and then of course as it became a tech giant, importing workers from Southeast Asia. It makes it a really interesting place from both the standpoint of history and food. 

Very American-friendly, too. 

To me, if the opportunity ever comes up to go there, don't turn it down. 

(Note to @FearlessF -- they even have Hooters. Two of them, in fact!)

 

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