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Gigem

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #980 on: January 05, 2026, 03:33:29 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 05, 2026, 03:17:24 PM
I dont think you're being deliberately disingenuous or anything, I suppose you're a little too young to know, but yeah-- The Breakfast Club was insanely popular in the 80s.  Like, a cultural phenomenon.  A true zeitgeist.

So when you phrase it the way you did, you're dramatically understating it.

Which is fine if you don't really know, which I think is probably the case.
I'm glad you said that, because since you're a little older than me, you would have been right in the square of the target audience.  I think you would have been about 12-14 when it came out (correct me if I'm wrong), and I was about 9.  Not a big difference in years, but a huge difference in perception.  By the time I hit Jr High and High School, it had pretty much faded from memory.  Like I said, I don't really remember it being that popular, and I never thought it was some great movie, but it seems to still catch a lot of attention 40 years later.  
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« Reply #981 on: January 05, 2026, 03:56:07 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on January 05, 2026, 03:33:29 PM
I'm glad you said that, because since you're a little older than me, you would have been right in the square of the target audience.  I think you would have been about 12-14 when it came out (correct me if I'm wrong), and I was about 9.  Not a big difference in years, but a huge difference in perception.  By the time I hit Jr High and High School, it had pretty much faded from memory.  Like I said, I don't really remember it being that popular, and I never thought it was some great movie, but it seems to still catch a lot of attention 40 years later. 
I get what you're saying.  And yeah I was right in the middle of Prime GenX target audience for it.
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« Reply #982 on: January 05, 2026, 04:36:28 PM »
I feel like some of the similar things for my age group would be movies like Clerks (1994) or Pulp Fiction (1994). 

Maybe I'm likewise understating it too, but again The Breakfast Club came out in 1985 and I was 7... So I wouldn't be in the age range where I would have known about pop culture more than just truly ubiquitous cultural phenomena like Michael Jackson that transcended generation entirely. I was more into GI Joe and Transformers around that age...
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« Reply #983 on: January 05, 2026, 04:42:54 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 05, 2026, 04:36:28 PM
I feel like some of the similar things for my age group would be movies like Clerks (1994) or Pulp Fiction (1994).

Maybe I'm likewise understating it too, but again The Breakfast Club came out in 1985 and I was 7... So I wouldn't be in the age range where I would have known about pop culture more than just truly ubiquitous cultural phenomena like Michael Jackson that transcended generation entirely. I was more into GI Joe and Transformers around that age...

Clerks definitely similar as a cultural icon, Pulp Fiction was a well-known and well-liked movie but not so culturally impactful from a generational standpoint.

Something similar in the 90s would also be the movie Singles, and the television show Friends.  Beverly Hills 90210 was also similarly culturally significant, at least in its first few seasons before it just became a nighttime soap.

Late 90s maybe Dawson's Creek?  I'm a little old for that one.
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« Reply #984 on: January 05, 2026, 04:54:17 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 05, 2026, 04:36:28 PM
I feel like some of the similar things for my age group would be movies like Clerks (1994) or Pulp Fiction (1994).

Maybe I'm likewise understating it too, but again The Breakfast Club came out in 1985 and I was 7... So I wouldn't be in the age range where I would have known about pop culture more than just truly ubiquitous cultural phenomena like Michael Jackson that transcended generation entirely. I was more into GI Joe and Transformers around that age...
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« Reply #985 on: January 05, 2026, 05:13:31 PM »
Clueless for sure.  But a lot of 90s teen content was about a reality that teens wish they lived, not their reality 

I was a little young for it, but I think My So Called Life might be the closest.  After that, maybe Boy Meets World?
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« Reply #986 on: January 05, 2026, 05:19:59 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 05, 2026, 05:13:31 PM
Clueless for sure.  But a lot of 90s teen content was about a reality that teens wish they lived, not their reality

I was a little young for it, but I think My So Called Life might be the closest.  After that, maybe Boy Meets World?
Yeah I've heard of those but I'm definitely too old to have watched them.
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« Reply #987 on: January 05, 2026, 05:26:24 PM »
I'm not sure Pulp Fiction was as big at the time, but it has lapped Breakfast Club and all the others mentioned as far as being culturally relevant and in how it impacted movies.
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« Reply #988 on: January 05, 2026, 05:30:22 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 05, 2026, 05:26:24 PM
I'm not sure Pulp Fiction was as big at the time, but it has lapped Breakfast Club and all the others mentioned as far as being culturally relevant and in how it impacted movies.

I'll definitely agree on the "how it impacted movies" assertion, but disagree on the "culturally relevant" assertion.

The two movies are very different, one was intended to be a voice for and a reflection of a generational viewpoint, and the other was a fantastical, bloody romp through an imaginary playland of violence.

Pulp Fiction is so far from most folks' reality that it can never be as culturally relevant as Breakfast Club was,  but that's not taking anything away from its popularity, importance, and impact, as a movie.
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« Reply #989 on: January 05, 2026, 05:39:15 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 05, 2026, 04:42:54 PM
Clerks definitely similar as a cultural icon, Pulp Fiction was a well-known and well-liked movie but not so culturally impactful from a generational standpoint.

Something similar in the 90s would also be the movie Singles, and the television show Friends.  Beverly Hills 90210 was also similarly culturally significant, at least in its first few seasons before it just became a nighttime soap.

Late 90s maybe Dawson's Creek?  I'm a little old for that one.
I do think Friends was absolutely massive... Could it BE any more culturally impactful? I mean hell, it gave name to a entire hairstyle :57:

That said, I feel like it was self-limiting from a gender perspective unlike Breakfast Club. All the girls of that age range made watching Friends on Thursday night a weekly ritual. It was appointment viewing. I can say that in its heyday which corresponded with my time at Purdue in a fraternity full of guys... Nobody gave a RIP. Maybe this is just my experience, but even today I don't see a lot of dudes who care much about it. 

In the sense of this thread, my wife and I did recently re-watch the entire series--or I should say it was my first time watching many episodes as I'd only seen random rerun episodes in syndication over the years. But it's certainly not something I would be thinking "I need to watch ALL of Friends start to finish now that it's streaming" in the same way that my wife was excited about it lol...
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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #990 on: January 05, 2026, 05:40:06 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 05, 2026, 05:30:22 PM


Pulp Fiction is so far from most folks' reality that it can never be as culturally relevant as Breakfast Club was,  but that's not taking anything away from its popularity, importance, and impact, as a movie.
Maybe we are talking about two different things. My definition of culturally relevant is that it breaks through to where people are talking about it, quoting, whatever, somewhat independent of the movie itself. 

Other movies that come to mind - The Matrix, Scream, The Blair Witch Project, and Superbad. 
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« Reply #991 on: January 05, 2026, 05:45:55 PM »
I don't think there's necessarily a difference, moreso that we entered the discussion with a specific movie that resonated with the exact life period and identity issues that a certain generation was experiencing at the time it came out. I'd call that a subset of the category "culturally relevant". 

Likewise, I think something like Titanic was as culturally relevant as Pulp Fiction in the wider definition of the term, even though the people who deeply loved the movie Titanic and saw it OVER AND OVER in the theaters weren't exactly survivors of a shipwreck... Just like I saw The Matrix twice (or maybe 3x?) in theaters, something I'm not sure I can say about any other movie. Yet I don't identify with someone living in a simulation as batteries for AI... Give AI a few years before we get there, wouldja?!
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« Reply #992 on: January 05, 2026, 05:46:36 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 05, 2026, 05:39:15 PM
I do think Friends was absolutely massive... Could it BE any more culturally impactful? I mean hell, it gave name to a entire hairstyle :57:

That said, I feel like it was self-limiting from a gender perspective unlike Breakfast Club. All the girls of that age range made watching Friends on Thursday night a weekly ritual. It was appointment viewing. I can say that in its heyday which corresponded with my time at Purdue in a fraternity full of guys... Nobody gave a RIP. Maybe this is just my experience, but even today I don't see a lot of dudes who care much about it.

In the sense of this thread, my wife and I did recently re-watch the entire series--or I should say it was my first time watching many episodes as I'd only seen random rerun episodes in syndication over the years. But it's certainly not something I would be thinking "I need to watch ALL of Friends start to finish now that it's streaming" in the same way that my wife was excited about it lol...

As a young professional just OUT of college, I can tell you that Friends was appointment TV for dudes-- precisely BECAUSE all the girls got together to watch it.

In our extended friend group, all of the girls would get together to watch Friends, and all of us guys would show up as well, to be around the girls.  Even if several of the girls were "just friends" there were always some friends-of-friends, periphery girls, who were fair game.  So much easier meeting at a house and watching the show, than trying to meet girls in bars or nightclubs.

So to put it in the parlance of Friends, why did 90s guys watch Friends?





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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #993 on: January 05, 2026, 05:48:13 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 05, 2026, 05:40:06 PM
Maybe we are talking about two different things. My definition of culturally relevant is that it breaks through to where people are talking about it, quoting, whatever, somewhat independent of the movie itself.

Other movies that come to mind - The Matrix, Scream, The Blair Witch Project, and Superbad.
Perhaps, but in that case, then Pulp Fiction has definitely not "lapped" the Breakfast Club.  Now, 40 years after one and 30 years after the other, I see more Breakfast Club references in pop culture, than I do Pulp Fiction.

I'd definitely agree that Pulp Fiction is the more cinematically impactful of the two, though.
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