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Topic: OT - TV shows and Movies

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2019, 10:59:29 PM »


I love the argument that there were no strong female leads prior to the millennium. 

Balderdash. 



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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2019, 12:57:24 AM »
Did someone make that argument? 

I didn't. You picked three good examples. But the pervasiveness of stereotyped and limited roles is hard to miss (and T2 was in the 90s, for whatever that's worth; things were changing then--even Belle, the Disney princess, was less interested in Gaston than in books--which was a big change for Disney).

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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2019, 02:55:36 AM »
Eh, we're introduced to Princess Leia as a strong-willed young woman...but she still needed saving.  And then in the next movie, she's in a bikini the whole time.  
The social progress for women and minorities is stark.  Thankfully, that was just movie portrayals and unlike real life, am I right??!?!?
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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2019, 07:17:48 AM »
Oh brother.

Forget I mentioned it, ladies.

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2019, 09:18:35 AM »
Eh, we're introduced to Princess Leia as a strong-willed young woman...but she still needed saving.  And then in the next movie, she's in a bikini the whole time. 
The social progress for women and minorities is stark.  Thankfully, that was just movie portrayals and unlike real life, am I right??!?!?
Yeah...I was going to say, the fact that you could put basically the complete list in a 3 part image is fairly telling.  And yes, Leia, like female characters before her, was strong willed, but eh?  What did she actually do in A New Hope or Empire, other than have spunk?  She is perpetually in need of rescuing.  Then, in Return of the Jedi, she did finally kill a bad guy, while wearing a bikini.

The online fan boy backlash against strong female leads in Star Wars and Marvel movies is hilarious.  "Aaah, girls have ignored us our whole lives, and now they can resue us too!?!  BOOOO!"

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« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2019, 11:43:03 AM »
Yeah...I was going to say, the fact that you could put basically the complete list in a 3 part image is fairly telling.  And yes, Leia, like female characters before her, was strong willed, but eh?  What did she actually do in A New Hope or Empire, other than have spunk?  She is perpetually in need of rescuing.  Then, in Return of the Jedi, she did finally kill a bad guy, while wearing a bikini.

The online fan boy backlash against strong female leads in Star Wars and Marvel movies is hilarious.  "Aaah, girls have ignored us our whole lives, and now they can resue us too!?!  BOOOO!"
I don’t think people have a problem with female characters being the lead or the hero. 

I think they have a problem with bad writing and bad movies. The new Star Wars movies were both pretty bad to me. Has nothing to do with the casting. Daisy Ridley is great. The writing just kinda sucked in both of those movies. Probably only gonna get worse from here on out for Star Wars as Disney hired those two dickwads who ruined Game of Thrones to write a new series of Star Wars movies.

I haven’t seen Captain Marvel but I saw the new Avengers movie and her character just fell flat in the movie. A lot of stuff just didn’t make sense in that entire movie. Honestly was very disappointed with the movie. 

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2019, 11:49:40 AM »
I really enjoyed The Last Jedi - much more excited for these movies after that one.  Force Awakens was enjoyable but excessively derivative.  


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« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2019, 12:45:35 PM »
I don’t think people have a problem with female characters being the lead or the hero.

I think they have a problem with bad writing and bad movies. The new Star Wars movies were both pretty bad to me. Has nothing to do with the casting. Daisy Ridley is great. The writing just kinda sucked in both of those movies. Probably only gonna get worse from here on out for Star Wars as Disney hired those two dickwads who ruined Game of Thrones to write a new series of Star Wars movies.

I haven’t seen Captain Marvel but I saw the new Avengers movie and her character just fell flat in the movie. A lot of stuff just didn’t make sense in that entire movie. Honestly was very disappointed with the movie.
Yes there were also legit gripes.  But that's why I specified internet fanboys.  There was a large contingent that was PISSED about female roles, which sadly isn't surprising either.

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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2019, 01:38:59 PM »
The Princess was a far better character than Rey, who has no room for character development as she was already good at everything from the get go. She can fly the Falcon better than Han Solo, even though she'd never left her planet. She can beat Kylo Ren in a light saber battle with no training. What's the point of the story? 
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« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2019, 03:04:06 PM »
The Princess was a far better character than Rey, who has no room for character development as she was already good at everything from the get go. She can fly the Falcon better than Han Solo, even though she'd never left her planet. She can beat Kylo Ren in a light saber battle with no training. What's the point of the story?
This.

Just absolutely shit writing that gives very little for a very good actress in Daisy Ridley to work with and does her no justice. She’s a really good actress that is playing a character that’s as empty as a Kardashian’s brain. And it almost works, just because she’s that good. Doesn’t work though, because as good as any actor or actress is- at the end of the day they are only as good as the writing allows them to be.

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« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2019, 03:24:36 PM »
I don't think anyone disagrees

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« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2019, 03:39:15 PM »
absolutely shit writing is why I don't watch movies or TV shows
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« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2019, 04:37:37 PM »
There are occasional good movies and TV shows.  But you definitely have to dig for them.

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« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2019, 05:00:22 PM »
There are occasional good movies and TV shows.  But you definitely have to dig for them.
I actually don't think TV writing has ever been better.  Really not even close.  Movies...eh...  Feels like everything is an art house production or a superhero movie.  Just look at the Best Picture nominations.  It feels like the mass appeal "films" (as opposed to movies, for lack of a better word) have disappeared.  We always try to watch all of the Best Picture/Actor/Actress movies, and each year I've even heard of, let alone know people who have seen, the nominated pictures.

 

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