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Topic: Odds we have a football season poll

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #672 on: August 20, 2020, 01:27:22 PM »
I mean, yes, true, though it does bring up an ethical conundrum - how much right does one group of people (those with a high risk of dying) to restrict another group (those with very low to zero risk).  You can make a pretty good argument that young people are bearing the most of the weight of the restriction while seeing the least benefit.
Young people in general aren't bearing most of the weight.  Small business owners and operators--and the employees they are forced to lay off--would be doing that, I think.  Compared to that, young people are being inconvenienced.

One could argue that young people who perhaps are bearing the biggest burden--top athletes who have pro careers ahead of them that they would like to continue to pursue--are indirectly asking that other people also take risks by coming out to see them "play."

IMO, college-age young people who are continuing to party as if it's 2019 don't have a claim on some moral right to spread the virus because they are bearing the biggest burdens of the restrictions.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #673 on: August 20, 2020, 01:36:36 PM »

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I’d argue that the general student population is more likely to get players sick, than the other way around. Rarely will asymptomatic students know they have COVID-19, but these players are regularly tested and would be quickly alerted and quarantined. It’s hypocritical that the regular community is still free to frequent restaurants, shopping malls, grocery stores, gyms, and group get-togethers, but believe they somehow have the right to weigh in on what is a proper risk for my son’s team. That’s really unfair.
Life isn't fair in general.  It's really not fair when people (172,000 and counting right here in the USA) are dying--and millions more are suffering economically--for reasons that are beyond their control.  Crying that it would be unfair for her son's team not to have a season is childish.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #674 on: August 20, 2020, 01:47:21 PM »
.05 is too high.  It may be on target for that age group with comorbidities (which is something to look at, for this group sickle cell, not sure if asthma is considered a comorbidity or not).  But without them we are looking at something a lot lower, between .0003 and .00004.  So few young people from that group have died as to make it difficult to calculate. 
Please don't use realistic numbers when it might cause people to realize the fear is overblown. 


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #676 on: August 20, 2020, 02:56:12 PM »
Was wondering how many cases they've had at NCSU to prompt this response, and found this informative tracker for all universities in the state of North Carolina.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article245078820.html


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #677 on: August 20, 2020, 03:05:28 PM »
I think the people waiting for a player to die so they can blame someone for it is gross.
It's not about blame, it's about inevitability.  It's about the math.  

Cool applause line, though.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #678 on: August 20, 2020, 03:06:46 PM »
Hey Afro Man,

Your logic makes no sense... your assuming none of those 9100 athletes will catch covid and die if they don't play football.  Problem is, they  will have a much greater chance of catching covid going back to the dorms or to their home towns socializing with their friends than they would in a controlled FB enviornment!  Playing FB has nothing to do with the death rate.
I'm guess you lack data for this claim.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #680 on: August 20, 2020, 03:12:37 PM »
So the SEC schools are sharing out their plans for spectators.......this is fucking unreal.  They're going to have about 20,000 attending games on average.  

It's like we're TRYING to spread this thing around.  

Okay, so you're unswayed by the possibility of a few players dying.  And no one seems to give a damn about old, fat coaches dying, how about the fans?

Does anyone pause for the INEVITABILITY of fans excitedly going to see their team play a football game and dying because of it?  
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #681 on: August 20, 2020, 03:14:52 PM »

https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1296486281405501440?s=19
Wait, there are other health ramifications that occur from Covid-19?  

Wait, we have NO CLUE what the long-term affects are, because it's only been 9-10 months since this thing had been around???

Shhhhh, don't tell the FOOTBALL FOR ME, NO MATTER WHAT crowd.  They'll downplay it and call you names.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #682 on: August 20, 2020, 03:30:26 PM »
Does anyone pause for the INEVITABILITY of fans excitedly going to see their team play a football game and dying because of it? 
darwinism

these fans that would rush to the stadium with a deadly virus on the loose are the same folks that are putting themselves in danger the other 6 days of the week doing other risky unhealthy things.

you know, like going to church
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #683 on: August 20, 2020, 03:38:04 PM »
so, players in conferences planning to play this season are allowed to practice 20 hours per week, the other conferences are permitted to practice 12 hours per week.

I don't like it

full pads and contact aren’t allowed.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #684 on: August 20, 2020, 03:47:54 PM »
So the SEC schools are sharing out their plans for spectators.......this is fucking unreal.  They're going to have about 20,000 attending games on average. 

It's like we're TRYING to spread this thing around. 

Okay, so you're unswayed by the possibility of a few players dying.  And no one seems to give a damn about old, fat coaches dying, how about the fans?

Does anyone pause for the INEVITABILITY of fans excitedly going to see their team play a football game and dying because of it? 
Nobody is stopping you from hiding under your bed in the fetal position.

We will let you know when it is safe to come out. Promise.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #685 on: August 20, 2020, 03:52:28 PM »
Big Ten commish issued a letter, says there was an overwhelming vote against playing, it won't be revisited, and goes into reasoning, which is about what you'd expect - no reasonable way to prevent spread of disease.

Also says they are making commission on returning to play.

A point of issue I have with his letter is how he brags that they have taken a day to day approach, and were willing to continually modify their plan. But now that a decision has been made the disscusion over. No more day to day, no more updating plan. Just over.

And the overwhelming vote against it, doesn't seem so. 

Nebraska and Iowa voted against.
OSU said they voted to push back the season a couple of weeks and others voted like them. Even if that's just one more school that gets to the 25% threshold, that doesn't seem overwhelming, just posturing. 

 

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