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Topic: Michigan State (2-0, 4-1) at #7 Michigan (1-1, 4-1) Postgame

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Michigan State (2-0, 4-1) at #7 Michigan (1-1, 4-1) Postgame
« on: October 02, 2017, 08:07:27 AM »
Great win for Sparty in East Lansing over Iowa.  Great way to start the week preparing for Michigan.  The Wolverines will likely start John O'Korn at QB for the first time this year after Speight was knocked out of the Purdue game.  Rumors abound that Speight broke a vertebra in his neck and is out for the year despite Coach Harbaugh's claim of "soft tissue" only.

http://www.diehardsport.com/college-football/heres-hearing-wilton-speights-injury/

Kickoff is at 7:30 PM and the game will be broadcast on ABC. Ann Arbor residents have been advised to bring inside any and all sofas they may have on their front porch.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0)
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 11:52:06 AM »
The emergence of the Paul Bunyan Trophy coincided with MSU joining the Big Ten in 1953. 

Prior to that, most of the games were played in AA. 

Michigan won the first game in 1898

In the 19ots Ttun went 2-0-1 vs MSU

In the 1910s Ttun went 8-2 vs MSU, with Sparty collecting their first victory in 1913

In the 20s Ttun swept MSU 10-0

In the 30s it was all knotted up at 4-4-2

In the 40s Ttun swept MSU 8-0

In the 50s MSU went 3-0 before joining the Big Ten, and then went 4-2-1 vs Ttun to close out the decade. 

In the 60s MSU went 7-2-1 vs Ttun

In the 70s Ttun went 9-1 vs MSU

In the 80s Ttun went 8-2 vs MSU

In the 90s Ttun went 6-4 vs MSU

In the 20ots Ttun went 7-3 vs MSU

So far in the 2010s MSU is 5-2 vs Ttun
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 12:35:35 PM »
definitely a nice bounce back for sparty.

I think both offenses are going to struggle to score in this game, but overall at this point I think UM's defense is better and the game's being played in their stadium, so I'd have to give them the slight edge.

I'm somewhat surprised to see UM open as a 13 1/2 point favorite, I guess maybe the ND loss is still in the back of most vegas minds, but if I heard right MSU outgained ND in that game, so maybe that was a bit fluky.

my initial thoughts are UM 24-14.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 01:31:14 PM »
yeah, rumor mill is Speight's injury is a broken vertebrae. If that's true I wonder if his career at Michigan is basically over.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 02:05:30 PM »
Dave Wanndestat picked MSU to pull off the upset. Here's to hoping his game picks are as good as his coaching lol.

On a serious note, man that guy was a horrible coach. Pays dividends being Jimmy Johnson's home boy. Got 3 head coach jobs bc of it. 

Michigan is a 13.5 point favorite according to Vegas. I'd be all over that if I was a betting man. That seems WAY too high to me. To me it's a pick 'em, flip a coin, Michigan should be like a 3.5 point favorite just based on it being a home game.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 02:44:26 PM »
Agree, Sparty always gives Michigan their best shot.  With the pass blocking issues O'Korn is sure to be running for his life again on Saturday.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 02:48:03 PM »
Michigan's only home losses under Harbaugh were Michigan State and Ohio State in 2015, which happened to be the only two home games in which Michigan was the lower-ranked team. The only home win by less than 10 was Wisconsin last year.... Meanwhile, Michigan State hasn't played an away game yet this year.

Michigan's defense should be able to dominate in this one. I don't think Michigan will run the ball very well, but if O'Korn looks like he did against Purdue, then the passing game should be productive, especially with 2 weeks to prepare. MSU's defense probably isn't as good as Florida's, and Michigan scored 26 in that game from their offense, alone. Avoiding and forcing turnovers will be critical, though. Special teams would also appear to be an advantage for Michigan.

All that said, Michigan always gets Sparty's best shot, so it will probably be closer than it should be.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 06:03:57 PM »
Side note, what happened to McDoom?  I don't think I've even seen him this year.  Looking at his stats, it doesn't appear like I'm far off.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 07:19:33 PM »
McDoom's role seems to have diminished with the struggles of the OLine, since he still just specializes in jet sweeps and the like. Perhaps if the playbook gets opened up a bit more against better competition, especially coming off a bye week, he'll be more involved in the future. I still think he has more upside than Crawford, who has been disappointing, but I suspect run-blocking and other mental aspects are what holds him back in comparison. Ian Bunting has also fallen behind the other TEs on the roster for some reason (Gentry and McKeon were really good against Purdue, but it's still kind of disappointing that he hasn't emerged). I've also been expecting occasional snaps from the other two freshman receivers, Nico Collins and Oliver Martin, but they haven't gotten on the field at all, if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 07:22:40 PM »
I've yet to see anything from Florida to make me think they have a good defense (or a good team).  They haven't seen a game where they've given up less than 20.  MSU, at this point, is a superior team to Florida, though UF did show a little offense against Vanderbilt, for whatever that's worth.

Quote from: MichiFan87 on October 02, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
Michigan's only home losses under Harbaugh were Michigan State and Ohio State in 2015, which happened to be the only two home games in which Michigan was the lower-ranked team. The only home win by less than 10 was Wisconsin last year.... Meanwhile, Michigan State hasn't played an away game yet this year.

Michigan's defense should be able to dominate in this one. I don't think Michigan will run the ball very well, but if O'Korn looks like he did against Purdue, then the passing game should be productive, especially with 2 weeks to prepare. MSU's defense probably isn't as good as Florida's, and Michigan scored 26 in that game from their offense, alone. Avoiding and forcing turnovers will be critical, though. Special teams would also appear to be an advantage for Michigan.

All that said, Michigan always gets Sparty's best shot, so it will probably be closer than it should be.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2017, 08:05:27 PM »
I don't think O'Korn will look quite as good as he did against Purdue, with Dantonio having a week to prepare for him. 

The Boilers game planned for Speight. They weren't ready for the Freak on a Leash. 

All of this imo, obviously. 
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 07:33:38 AM »
scUM rolls big time; 42-10 bad guys.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 10:59:19 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 02, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
I've yet to see anything from Florida to make me think they have a good defense (or a good team).  They haven't seen a game where they've given up less than 20.  MSU, at this point, is a superior team to Florida, though UF did show a little offense against Vanderbilt, for whatever that's worth.
FWIW Massey has Florida as the #18 defense and Sparty as #19 defense in the country. I think Florida is getting big points in the metrics for a strong SOS (#3 in the country so far).
Curious to see if this will be one of those games where 20 points will get you a victory. 
Saw a pretty telling statistic for the Harbaugh era at Michigan (forgive me if its already been shared here). Michigan is 30 something and 0 when rushing for 100+ yards. Michigan is 1-6 when rushing for fewer than 100 yards. 
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 12:32:10 PM »
Quote from: HailHailMSP on October 03, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
FWIW Massey has Florida as the #18 defense and Sparty as #19 defense in the country. I think Florida is getting big points in the metrics for a strong SOS (#3 in the country so far).
Curious to see if this will be one of those games where 20 points will get you a victory.
Saw a pretty telling statistic for the Harbaugh era at Michigan (forgive me if its already been shared here). Michigan is 30 something and 0 when rushing for 100+ yards. Michigan is 1-6 when rushing for fewer than 100 yards.
A lot of these early computer rankings incorporate preseason rankings that lose importance as the season goes on.  I know Massey's uses them though I'm not sure to what degree.  But by S&P+ rankings Florida is 25th, but if you take out preseason rankings they drop to 82nd.  In any event, Michigan running the ball is a big deal, as being able to run the ball and play defense can win you games.  If they have to rely on O'Korn, it could be a long day.
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