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Topic: Michigan State (2-0, 4-1) at #7 Michigan (1-1, 4-1) Postgame

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Mdot21

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 02:31:56 PM »
I've yet to see anything from Florida to make me think they have a good defense (or a good team).  They haven't seen a game where they've given up less than 20.  MSU, at this point, is a superior team to Florida, though UF did show a little offense against Vanderbilt, for whatever that's worth.
Bet you Florida has more guys on that defensive 2 deep drafted by the NFL than MSU.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 02:36:39 PM »
Side note, what happened to McDoom?  I don't think I've even seen him this year.  Looking at his stats, it doesn't appear like I'm far off.
Sometimes I wonder about this offensive staff. They seem risk averse. They'd rather feature less talented players for some reason. That McDoom is a legit 4.3 with a track background. He's the fastest kid on their team, he was the fastest kid on the team last year, continually beat guys like Peppers and Chesson in foot races in practices.

They'd rather play walk-ons at WR like Nate Schonel or players who just suck despite having immense talent like Dylan Crawford or mediocre talent like Grant Perry instead of trying to feed the ball to an insane athlete like DPJ or one of the fastest dudes in the conference in McDoom.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 02:42:54 PM »
If they have to rely on O'Korn, it could be a long day.
Definitely agree there. The Michigan offense isn't built to rely on the QB. But I'd rather rely on O'Korn than Speight. O'Korn had really high ups and really low downs and his struggles at Houston- but he has one thing Speight does not- talent. Give me talent over no talent everyday and twice on Saturday. It'd be one thing if Speight was just a game manager and not turning the ball over. You look at him and he's a turnover machine. Not just turning it over-but he was making back breaking cost your teams the game turnovers.

O'Korn has throws in his wheelhouse that Speight couldn't make if his life depended on it.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2017, 05:56:52 PM »
Bet you Florida has more guys on that defensive 2 deep drafted by the NFL than MSU.
MSU has trotted out some very, very good defenses without a lot of NFL picks.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 09:28:44 PM »
 O'Korn has throws in his wheelhouse that Speight couldn't make if his life depended on it.
If O'Korn can keep his collective ka-ka together for at least a season you may have something.He could look like a Heisman candidate one play and make you hurl the next.Consistency!Spreight could have cost M a game.Wonder if he'd still be under center sans the injury
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 07:52:52 AM »


MSU has trotted out some very, very good defenses without a lot of NFL picks.
Yes they have.  With Iowa it seems they got their defense headed in the right direction.  I expect a hard fought nasty game Saturday as is usual.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 08:10:18 AM »

O'Korn has throws in his wheelhouse that Speight couldn't make if his life depended on it.

I hope you are right.  O'Korn throws better on the move so that's a plus given what we've seen from Michigan's OL. Speight throws a better deep ball when he has the time which was rarely this year.  I'd expect to see O'Korn in the shotgun most of the day.  And the OL better protect him and Peters better be ready to play.  Sparty has not forgotten Michigan breaking Lewerke's leg last year.  

Also, the mental problems with the OL will get worked out eventually. Michigan has lots of talented O linemen that just need more time and experience.  I knew all the "addition by subtraction" talk in the off season was BS.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 03:32:30 PM »
Michigan is a 13.5 point favorite according to Vegas. I'd be all over that if I was a betting man. That seems WAY too high to me. To me it's a pick 'em, flip a coin, Michigan should be like a 3.5 point favorite just based on it being a home game.

I am taking the over. 
Michigan St has plenty to rally around in last weekend's needed win over Iowa, but I don't see how their visit to Ann Arbor doesn't turn into a vengeful beatdown. This has the makings of Harbaugh unleashing his full wrath. He might not beat the Buckeyes, but he'll be sure to leave the easier of two rivals embarrassed.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 07:44:04 PM »
If O'Korn can keep his collective ka-ka together for at least a season you may have something.He could look like a Heisman candidate one play and make you hurl the next.Consistency!Spreight could have cost M a game.Wonder if he'd still be under center sans the injury
When O'Korn was on point he was excellent at Houston. A real play-maker. When the wheels came off and he lost his confidence and went in the tank- he was like all-time bad. He definitely has talent, but man he was a Dr. Jekyl and Mr Hyde creature. Which obviously you don't want that if you're Harbaugh- which makes sense why he probably went with Speight- who he felt was the "safer" of the two- the better game manager. And Speight was OK. Until the Iowa game. During and since that game he has been really bad. Not just bad- but all-time bad and just a real turnover machine. Might as well go with O'Korn if that's what you're going to get out of Speight. Speight has been horrible. High, behind, or wide on all his throws, he's thrown like four or five pick 6's since the Ohio State game- he's thrown more INT's than TD's since the Iowa game- his completion percentage has been horrible- he holds onto the ball too long and can't read defenses quick enough. There really was no reason to keep playing him after that Florida game. I don't know why they did.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2017, 10:14:40 AM »
@kylebaustin
Since 2008, MSU's against the spread record vs. Michigan: 9-0
ATS record vs. everyone else: 53-57-3

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2017, 10:53:26 AM »
@kylebaustin
Since 2008, MSU's against the spread record vs. Michigan: 9-0
ATS record vs. everyone else: 53-57-3
That + a spread that feels heavy for Michigan makes it feel like a no-brainer bet for the dog. But most times I think there is a no brainer bet I end up empty handed.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2017, 11:14:48 AM »
That + a spread that feels heavy for Michigan makes it feel like a no-brainer bet for the dog. But most times I think there is a no brainer bet I end up empty handed.
I saw it moved from like 14 to 10.5.
I thought Michigan was going to take out 8 years of frustrations last year, and they really didn't.
Night game though, I don't know.  I think MSU sticks around for a half with both offenses struggling to get any traction, but Michigan moves it a little, and MSU has too many 3rd and longs leading to quick 3 and outs or bad turnovers, and UM pulls away in the 2nd half.  I think the Wolverines cover.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2017, 11:29:07 AM »
I saw it moved from like 14 to 10.5.
I thought Michigan was going to take out 8 years of frustrations last year, and they really didn't.
Night game though, I don't know.  I think MSU sticks around for a half with both offenses struggling to get any traction, but Michigan moves it a little, and MSU has too many 3rd and longs leading to quick 3 and outs or bad turnovers, and UM pulls away in the 2nd half.  I think the Wolverines cover.
Your thoughts above more or less mirrored the Purdue game for Michigan. My fear is the Spartan defense is heads and tails better than Purdue. 
I would guess a very close game for at least a half and first one to 20 wins. I suppose it could end up with a cover and be a 24-13 type game, but still feel close throughout. I just don't see Michigan putting up too many points against the Spartan defense, unless they get a score or two that come in unconventional ways (defense, special teams, etc.)

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2017, 11:48:43 AM »
Your thoughts above more or less mirrored the Purdue game for Michigan. My fear is the Spartan defense is heads and tails better than Purdue.
I would guess a very close game for at least a half and first one to 20 wins. I suppose it could end up with a cover and be a 24-13 type game, but still feel close throughout. I just don't see Michigan putting up too many points against the Spartan defense, unless they get a score or two that come in unconventional ways (defense, special teams, etc.)
I posted in a different thread, that's kind of been Michigan's season, but yes, Purdue was the best example.

UM is barely outscoring it's opponents in the first half, 46-38.

In the second half, UM with a big 80-14 edge, including 43-0 in the 4th quarter

 

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