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Topic: Michigan State (2-0, 4-1) at #7 Michigan (1-1, 4-1) Postgame

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2017, 03:02:13 PM »
I saw it moved from like 14 to 10.5.
I thought Michigan was going to take out 8 years of frustrations last year, and they really didn't.
Night game though, I don't know.  I think MSU sticks around for a half with both offenses struggling to get any traction, but Michigan moves it a little, and MSU has too many 3rd and longs leading to quick 3 and outs or bad turnovers, and UM pulls away in the 2nd half.  I think the Wolverines cover.
I don't think Michigan is good enough and MSU is bad enough for any frustrations to be taken out.  I could see Michigan covering in one of those games where its relatively close for 2.5/3 quarters but a couple plays are made and the score ends up not being indicative of the overall closeness.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2017, 03:43:29 PM »
I don't think Michigan is good enough and MSU is bad enough for any frustrations to be taken out.  I could see Michigan covering in one of those games where its relatively close for 2.5/3 quarters but a couple plays are made and the score ends up not being indicative of the overall closeness.
That's kind of me, but I think it goes both ways.

I think it's deceptively close for 3 quarters, but one of those where it never feels like MSU is going to mount enough of a threat to really win, even if the score is actually close.

Then I think late UM tacks on a TD or two so those who didn't watch don't realize how close it was for 3 quarters.

So exactly the Purdue game.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2017, 04:16:34 PM »
Thanks to the increased power of the television executives, we now have what both schools have been fighting against, ever since Big Ten night games became a thing, a Paul Bunyan night game.  The crazy trajectories of these programs has made this a top 5 MSU against a sub .500 UM in 2014; a battle of two top 15 teams in 2015; and a top 5 UM against a sub .500 MSU in 2016.  It seems like Michigan is a bit worse than a year ago, and Michigan State is somewhat better.  How much better?  You'd think this would go a long way toward telling us, but perhaps not.  The Spartans, in all forms, have had a way of getting up for this game.  Even last year in what should have been a romp, was not.  Michigan fans' frustration with Wilton Speight had been well documented.  When he was knocked out in the Purdue game, and John O'Korn came in and jump started the offense, they wondered if an injury to their starting quarterback may have saved their season.  That remains to be seen.  He wouldn't be the first injury replacement to look really good until a team has time to prepare for him.  Last year Speight was the best player on Michigan's offense in the win, with the Spartans shutting down the run, save for a couple Eddie McDoom jet sweeps.  That was peak Speight, in the middle of three straight games with an Opponent Adjusted QBR over 93.  The problem is that in the six games since his best is 67, and that was the only game he was over 50 (average).  O'Korn showed good accuracy against Purdue, working on probably a limited playbook.  The bye week was well times for him though, and now he's had two weeks to prepare.  It's doubtful that same gameplan can work again.  No matter who the personnel is, Mark Dantonio's defense is going to stack the line, and be aggressive.  The teams that can offer protection, and beat them over the top, or avoid the pressure and exploit broken plays are the ones who beat them.  We saw Iowa try a conservative approach last week, and they got nothing.  I'm not convinced Michigan's offense is any better than Iowa's, so I think a similar plan will go similarly.  This could be an old fashioned Big Ten game with 30-45 minutes spent with each team establishing themselves.  Both defenses are good, and are built from the front back.  Not ideal for what Dantonio wants to do, if you have the weapons to stretch it, as Notre Dame did.  Michigan's line has not looked good, so the question is how much pressure Michigan State can get with four.  Michigan State's offensive line has been awful up the middle, particularly in run blocking, but the pass blocking, particularly on the edge, has been solid.  But they haven't faced anything like this Michigan front four.  I think Michigan hits enough big plays, and eventually too many three and outs wear down the Spartan defense, and there's no way they avoid their turnover turmoil a second straight week.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2017, 02:25:24 PM »
my hope is that since they refuse to really use DPJ on offense that they will allow him to return kicks as well as punts. He's a far superior return guy than Dylan Crawford- who has been handling the kick return duty while DPJ handles punt return. Hell DPJ is a far superior player period than Dylan Crawford. Eye test is important to me. If you don't jump off my screen- I've got no use for you. DPJ jumps off the screen. Doesn't take a genius to see he's a special type of athlete. Apparently his coaches are blind as a bat because they aren't USING him enough.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2017, 03:09:34 PM »
I haven't seen a lot of him, to be honest. But why would they hold him back? Is he good with ball security, in practice too?

That would be the top reason to keep him off the field based on what I know coaches do.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2017, 03:17:36 PM »
I haven't seen a lot of him, to be honest. But why would they hold him back? Is he good with ball security, in practice too?

That would be the top reason to keep him off the field based on what I know coaches do.
Hasn't gotten the ball a lot but ball security doesn't seem to be an issue. Coaches make bad personnel decisions all of the time, so who really knows?

This staff seems to be VERY conservative when it comes to starting young players. And they seem to put an emphasis on WR's who block. Which is fine- to a point. But there's no way anyone will ever be able to convince me that Grant Perry playing more minutes in the slot than Eddie McDoom or Dylan Crawford returning kicks and playing more minutes outside at WR than DPJ is a good idea. Put the ball in the hands of the athlete and let them go. Eddie McDoom and DPJ are just flat out explosive. They need the ball in their hands in a lot of different ways and both of them have barely touched the ball this year.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2017, 03:22:29 PM »
It's got to be a practice thing then. Try some digging in your favorite spots/sites and see what comes up.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2017, 03:37:50 PM »
It's got to be a practice thing then. Try some digging in your favorite spots/sites and see what comes up.
For his rep as a "mad man"- Harbaugh is actually a pretty damn conservative coach. Way too conservative in my opinion. It kind of holds him back. I really think it's just a case of his old school "if it's close give it to the older guy" and "practice matters most" mentality. He might be an oddball- but he's still a throwback old school football coach.

DPJ has only fielded 10 punt returns and he's averaging 16.2 yards per punt return and housed one for 78 yards for a TD and came awfully close to breaking another. He's had one rush on a reverse for 44 yards and he's only been targeted for 3 passes and he's caught all 3, one of them a screen going for 37 yards. He's only touched the ball 14 times and he's got three plays of 35 or more yards. Yeah, he needs the ball. More. A lot more.

What's really confusing to me though is the complete lack of Eddie McDoom sightings. He was more of a project coming out of high school that just happened to be a ridiculously fast athlete and not a great refined receiver- so that one makes a little bit more sense- but man he needs to be touching the football.

They have 3 WR's on this roster who just leap off the screen in DPJ, McDoom, and Tarik Black. Black's out with an injury and DPJ and McDoom barely get any minutes. Most of those minutes are going to Crawford, Grant Perry, and a walk-on named Nate Schoenle. Makes a lot of sense why the passing game has been struggling.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2017, 07:36:24 AM »
Heh. The rep as being a madman does not come from his coaching style. Look who the guy grew up under. Bo, Ditka, etc. Old school. So of course he's gonna be old school as a coach. It's the tree climbing and sleepover crap that madman comes from.

Like I said, it's gotta be a practice thing where these kids just don't know the playbook and such. Sometimes the high * kids don't put in the effort in the same way. I'm going to give Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt here because I think he's a good coach with a good staff.
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2017, 09:36:25 AM »
Michigan 19
MSU 17
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2017, 01:53:27 AM »
Sup y'all. Go Green. 

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2017, 07:15:46 AM »
The game reminded me a lot of the 2007 OSU-UM game, where OSU just ran Beanie Wells the whole game with no thoughts toward anything else, because UM's offense couldn't get anything going.

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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2017, 08:24:50 AM »
MSU grabbed the lead before the weather was a factor.Always a good idea to jump out to an early lead.MD made this a priority IMO.Tough loss to UM I think MD was preparing harder than M specially with all the attrition in the program.JH had a week off to prepare could be tough sledding from here on out - we shall see
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Re: Michigan State (1-0, 3-1) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 4-0) Game Week
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2017, 09:15:21 AM »
It was a frigging shitshow last night, by Michigan combined with the refs and the weather (neither of which ended up really mattering but didn't help). This year was never going to be special, but the regression on offense has been frustrating to watch, and the defense got burned last night. I was afraid that OKorn wouldn't play like he did against Purdue, and that's what happened.
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