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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #840 on: August 22, 2018, 11:59:33 PM »
dude wiped his cell phone. consider me suspicious af.
Agreed reminds me of Brady.  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #841 on: August 23, 2018, 12:05:09 AM »
Agreed reminds me of Brady.  
yeah. slightly deflated footballs and hiring degenerate scumbags and harboring domestic violence are totally =
Lulz.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #842 on: August 23, 2018, 12:10:19 AM »
as we all already knew, the investigation was a sham.

Investigation report: It was "concerning (Meyer’s) first reaction to a negative media piece exposing his knowledge of the 2015-2016 law enforcement investigation was to worry about the media getting access to information & discussing how to delete messages older than a year"

On July 26, OSU’s general counsel asked Amy Nicol & Brian Voltolini to check Urban Meyer’s phone for texts & they said they had no documents on their end – but no one actually checked Meyer’s phone or even approached him about it.

OSU findings: Zach Smith "promiscuous & embarrassing sexual behavior, drug abuse, truancy, dishonesty, financial irresponsibility, possible NCAA violation & lengthy police investigation into allegations of criminal domestic violence & cybercrimes" yet Meyer never disciplined him.

Investigation report: "We learned Coach Meyer has sometimes had significant memory issues in other situations where he had prior extensive knowledge of events. He has also periodically taken medicine that can negatively impair his memory, concentration & focus"

In June 2016, based on medical advice & direction from Urban Meyer, Zach Smith was admitted to a drug treatment facility for addiction. Source told me this was Sibcy House in Mason, Ohio, & Zach Smith left after 4-days & didn’t complete his 10-day treatment

Investigative report: In 2016, AD Gene Smith, who was generally aware of Zach Smith’s performance issues during this time period, suggested that Coach Meyer consider replacing him. Meyer decided not to do so

Investigation report reveals in May 2014 on recruiting trip to Florida, Zach Smith ran up $600 bill at a strip club along with another OSU football coach. Urban Meyer warned Smith if it happened again, he would be fired

What kind of moron runs up a $600 strip club bill and uses the company card?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #843 on: August 23, 2018, 12:18:55 AM »
I don't think it was a sham. They collected far more than I expected; those details about the phone and Voltolini's interest in deleting messages older than a year is NOT something that a sham investigation would uncover.
I just think the investigators couldn't possibly collect all evidence. And whenever the evidence was incomplete, they allowed themselves to make cautious conclusions (no conclusions), which would naturally be generous to Meyer.
That's normal and good practice, I think.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #844 on: August 23, 2018, 12:39:26 AM »
I learn something about myself when scandals like this make the full transition, and I can watch my written record evolve. The most apparent thing is how I dislike it when too many people go all-in in a specific direction. Of course everyone wants to be correct and consistent. But apparently I also like to go against the grain to try to even out discussions.

Before tonight's presser/revelations, I was (unoriginally) counter-balancing the boilerplate OSU talking points (focused on the tall hurdle it'd take to clear Urban, the futility of defending Zach, standing up for McMurphy). Now, I feel like I'm in full counter-balance mode against people who are piling on OSU. As the day wore on, I became very impressed with the investigation, the good stewardship of the president, and even felt empathy for Urban at the press conference.

In the last few hours, there've already been times when a specific detail of this report was so fascinating to me that I couldn't help but share it. And I guess that's a kind of piling on. But I feel no thirst for this to snowball. Good work was done. The investigation topped my most optimistic expectations (in terms of detail/transparency). And Drake stood his ground. I know Cincy and Fearless and others think the punishment is insufficient. But after ruminating, I don't agree. This makes sense. There's closure. And OSU's response deserves respect.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #845 on: August 23, 2018, 01:49:37 AM »
yeah. slightly deflated footballs and hiring degenerate scumbags and harboring domestic violence are totally =
Lulz.
I was being serious.  Despite the severity of the alleged infractions, it looks shady to me. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #846 on: August 23, 2018, 02:42:11 AM »
Yeah those are very different contexts, and I like rooting for Brady and thought deflategate was dumb, but deleting messages ahead of an investigation is always shady. There may be times when it was innocent, but it always looks bad.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #847 on: August 23, 2018, 06:45:36 AM »
Is it over?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #848 on: August 23, 2018, 07:01:05 AM »
Is it over?
LOL we shall see.  I was very worried the report would uncover all sorts of things unrelated to the issues at hand.  Doesn't appear to!

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #849 on: August 23, 2018, 07:08:02 AM »
Is it over?
Unless McM has more sordid detail to air out, it’s over. Ohio State blames Meyer’s medication, and if you’re an Ohio State fan you’re OK with this because you’re a tool.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #850 on: August 23, 2018, 07:34:01 AM »
Meyer was  very tense in that press conference.  I wonder if his wife convinced him to stay when he was on the verge of quitting because he feels unfairly treated here.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #851 on: August 23, 2018, 07:41:17 AM »
Meyer was  very tense in that press conference.  I wonder if his wife convinced him to stay when he was on the verge of quitting because he feels unfairly treated here.

My gut is, at the crux of this, Meyer does not give CS claims much credibility.  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #852 on: August 23, 2018, 08:12:53 AM »
Personal guess: he didn’t flub that question. He feels no remorse for her, as he probably feels that she did as much or more physical abuse than Zack did, and she waited until the right time to go after the entire program due to her anger at Zack.  
In other words, he has probably heard and seen more evidence to suggest that she has some serious alcohol and emotional issues.  He is probably thinking, how did these two twisted idiots get me into this.  
Not saying I agree, or that is true, but it wouldn’t surprise me.  Clearly, he didn’t take the charges too seriously in terms of believing them, and that’s based on his conversations with the police, Zack, and others who knew them.
He probably is. And he should know. That report tells us a good bit.
For all the talk of leading men, he's just not willing to take responsibility. It's fine. Most people don't. Perhaps I'm reading your tone wrong, but it sounds like he knows more, and can't help but let that bleed through. He did always have trouble not showing some true ugliness in public, but he's a professional. At his age, after all this, he can fake it for half a second.
Let's put it this way, he's told a third-choice running back who isn't as good as last year's recruit or next years the things he needs to hear. He can do that for that question. Unless we want to know the true Urban, but that Urban probably isn't worth defending. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #853 on: August 23, 2018, 08:38:45 AM »
He probably is. And he should know. That report tells us a good bit.
For all the talk of leading men, he's just not willing to take responsibility. It's fine. Most people don't. Perhaps I'm reading your tone wrong, but it sounds like he knows more, and can't help but let that bleed through. He did always have trouble not showing some true ugliness in public, but he's a professional. At his age, after all this, he can fake it for half a second.
Let's put it this way, he's told a third-choice running back who isn't as good as last year's recruit or next years the things he needs to hear. He can do that for that question. Unless we want to know the true Urban, but that Urban probably isn't worth defending.
I am not defending him, quite opposite really.
Not unlike many powerful coaches, there is a disconnect between what they think they are doing, which is all positive, and what someone they are responsible for does.
You could  see it in his eyes. He firmly believes in the principles he espouses, he believes he is helping young men be better, he personally tries to live it and breath it, and feels that he has done so much good for so many.
He is not making the connection that these incidents with Smith are polar opposite, and that he needed to take more control.   He separates his loyalty, which in his mind is a good thing, from the reality that it goes against his very own beliefs.
He feels he not only did nothing wrong, but actually went out of his way to do extra by getting them in counseling and getting ZS into a rehab.
Again, in modern college football, at the big schools, the coach needs to own things like a CEO would, and practically none of them truly have or understand that skill set.
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