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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #350 on: August 06, 2018, 09:34:57 AM »
please don't include me as this part of society or the consumer of the money grubbing media

I try hard not to and most here on this fan site are here because we''re not part of the masses and refuse to be sucked down to that level
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #351 on: August 06, 2018, 10:08:19 AM »
I agree, I doubt anyone posting here has much regard for the opinions of Talking Heads in general.

We get far better analysis around here, I think, and have always thought.


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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #352 on: August 06, 2018, 10:09:32 AM »
My apologies if this was already posted (I haven't been able to fully keep up with this story and thread the last few days):
It's from Brett McMurphy's Facebook page (since he can't traditionally publish because of ESPN's noncompete clause). He interviewed several ADs. 
One might argue their perspective is a lot more relevant to the outcome than ours:
I contacted about two dozen current FBS athletic directors, asking for their opinion on the situation at Ohio State. Here are some of the responses. All of the ADs were told they would not be identified.
AD 1: “In today’s landscape, the (Ohio State) president is scared shitless. The presidents and ADs were fired at Penn State and Baylor. When the president decides this starts going downhill and lies can be proven, then everyone will run for the hills. They can’t let it get out of hand because then you don’t know where it goes. If Ohio State can fire Woody Hayes and Jim Tressel, it can fire Urban Meyer.”
AD 2: “I’m sure they’d love to keep him, but they have to first protect the university.”
AD 3: “It looks like a smart move in this case to provide a layer of objectivity and separation regardless of the outcome.”
AD 4: “No, there’s no way you can keep him. Believe me, they’re trying to see how far and wide people knew – who knew what and when did they know. If they keep him, the onslaught will never end.”
AD 5: “I think they will keep him if they can’t 100 percent fire with cause, because they don’t want to pay him.”
AD 6: “I think they are trying to get a clear understanding of all the facts before determining the next steps.”
AD 7: “There are many considerations/consequences and possible legal challenges to various aspects of the decision they could make. They will want to know all of that before conclusion. Ione would have to believe their goal is total integrity/credibility in final analysis, not popularity. They will want to stand strong behind whatever decision they reach.”
AD 8: “I think they want to cover for whatever decision they come up with. The three board members and three outsiders gives good balance and is a defensible position on the outcome.”
AD 9: “I believe they are trying to get to an objective truth and set of facts. It will take quite a bit of time and discovery (phone records, emails, documents from lots of people and sources etc.) to get to a point that he institution and board feels that they have a case for a solid and defensible decision (or grounds for defense from the counter suit if they fire him) either way.”
AD 10: “Ohio State can’t afford to bring him back and then a year later something comes out. You did the first story, by now there’s 100 reporters trying to find anything new. When you have that many people looking they’re going to dig and dig and when you did that much, you’re going to find dirt. Nobody’s perfect.”
AD 11: “I think they are handling exactly like they should with an independent group. Investigation has to be from outside athletics, trustees and board. Good job putting this group together.”
AD 12: “This decision (on Meyer’s future) will be a true measure on the morality of college football in today’s landscape. That’s the reality. If he remains their coach, we’ve all lost our minds.”
AD 13: “This is obviously big and three insiders and three respected outsiders will give the investigation credence. I think they are just looking to do it right.”
AD 14: “You have to uncover everything based on how they’ve handled it so far, so the assistant’s (jobs) also could be at risk if they knew about it.”
AD 15: “Separately, I imagine there is talk of settlement at some level – but I’d be surprised if Urban gives in anytime soon.”
AD 16: “This sets up as ‘CYA’ if they want to keep him. But they are smart to have someone else adjudicate this given how Baylor and Penn State initially handled their cases (which resulted in the presidents and athletic directors getting fired).”

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #353 on: August 06, 2018, 10:12:24 AM »
I still think the most important figure involved is the new, rumoredly serious president and the fact that it isn't Gordon Gee is a meaningful swing. Gordon Gee would probably blow off most of those quotes, even the meatier concerns like from AD #10, for example.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #354 on: August 06, 2018, 10:28:36 AM »
This from 11 Warriors - pretty interesting

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/site-stuff/2018/08/95003/how-we-handled-documents-related-to-zach-smiths-past
Good read and well handled by Eleven Warriors. What's most concerning is the trend of local police turning a blind eye to protect football programs. To be clear, this happens near every major program and is not remotely close to being an OSU only problem. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #355 on: August 06, 2018, 10:30:34 AM »
It's easy to compare to Baylor and PSU, but the cases are wildly different legally.  Baylor faced Title IX scrutiny because it involved students, and PSU had tons of liability for failing to report child abuse.  This case doesn't involve students and doesn't open the university to any liability outside of some sort of claim from Courtney Smith.  Obviously, any investigation can turn up new information, but simply saying they need to fire Urban to protect the university is wrong (especially because if he did report things he could sue the university and open up all sorts of cans of worms).

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #356 on: August 06, 2018, 10:35:15 AM »
The outside AD perspective is actually fairly interesting, and pretty good journalism. It goes much deeper than what he did or didnt know. It gets into PR, the exposure and risk of others digging into your program, firing for cause or having to pay out. 

It’s a complicated matter that will fall in the lap of the President. The investigative body will be the semi independent source to guide him.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #357 on: August 06, 2018, 10:39:30 AM »
He either followed protocol or didn't,if he did then they'll have to find some other sacrificial lamb.Besides Zach of course
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #358 on: August 06, 2018, 11:39:21 AM »
I think i saw this somewhere, but can’t dig it up now.

Zach Smith has hd his contract renewed / re-negotiated three different times in the last 5 years.

That’s what perplexes me. Assistant coaches get fired for calling one play wrong. For Smith, and knowing what they knew about his personal life, his social media antics, and his lack of player development; they didn’t even have to fire him. They could have non-renewed him three times, but didn’t.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #359 on: August 06, 2018, 11:42:58 AM »
was he the lowest paid assistant on the staff?

$400K at OSU isn't much
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #360 on: August 06, 2018, 11:45:43 AM »
If Urban Meyer stays and, as one specific example, Gene Smith becomes the sacrificial lamb, does anyone really expect him to just fall on that sword in a tidy fashion?
I'll admit I know very little about him as a man. But his public persona seems kind of antithetical to taking one for the team.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #361 on: August 06, 2018, 11:47:19 AM »
Exactly, someone will need to be sacrificed in order to appease the media hordes who jumped both feet into this with out any sort of delay or investigation until after, all on the hopes of getting that main headline.

I agree with you Mario, Police activity around major programs does sometimes seem to be light.  The bigger the program, the more you would think it occurs, however, that was yesterdays law enforcement.  Departments had more flexibility to conceal things in the past, however in today internet world and with cell phones on everybody, that ability is less likely to occur.  Also the court of public opinion towards law enforcement the last 5 years has changed as well, and departments have seemed to swing towards more strigent enforcement and taking a lot of control out the officers hands and more control by the administration, who often time has their own political agendas and such in place.  I wont get into that area any deeper! 

One thing I will say, having investigated incidents related to DV, I find it odd that no charges have ever been brought forth by any of the prosecutors.  IF the 2009 Gainsville incident did involve physical activity and she was 8-10 weeks, in my 20 years of I have yet to meet a prosecutor who would not have filed anything, regardless if his wife did not want to be cooperative.  I have testified in cases, where one party decided to recant the story, and not want anything done legally, however, the prosecutor still pushed.  I know there are a few other legal beagles in here, maybe they can shed light as well, from the courtroom side, but my experience from the street side finds that odd.

As to Urban, as long as he did not use his position to influence any of the police departments from filing charges, and with the statement that he said he has always reported to his supervisors, I do not think they will/can him, and do not support it if they do fire him just to appease the media thought.  His arrogance got the better of him in B10 Media Day statement for sure, and he should look at having a better PR writer to prep him for those type of events.

My statement would have been simple:  Zach Smith is no longer with my staff, he has been released.  I am not going to take questions related to this matter, it is a private matter at this point, and I am here to discuss the upcoming football season, the players, and games.  

Would have saved a lot of trouble! 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #362 on: August 06, 2018, 11:49:19 AM »
If Urban Meyer stays and, as one specific example, Gene Smith becomes the sacrificial lamb, does anyone really expect him to just fall on that sword in a tidy fashion?
I'll admit I know very little about him as a man. But his public persona seems kind of antithetical to taking one for the team.
IF Urban goes, Gene Smith better go along with him!  Two major head coaches out under his watch, no way would I keep him place!  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #363 on: August 06, 2018, 11:54:24 AM »
IF Urban goes, Gene Smith better go along with him!  Two major head coaches out under his watch, no way would I keep him place!  
What if Meyer stays because he reported up but Gene goes because he mismanaged his information and responsibilities? 
My post meant to doubt he'd go humbly.

 

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